Why people(especially software engineers) are planning to move out from India ?

Zoho / Eng
ssak

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ssak
Jun 29, 2021 26 Comments

Hey people,

Lately, I'm seeing a lot of posts on Blind about moving out from India to USA, Europe, etc via direct hiring, internal transfer, and higher studies.

Any idea why the sudden spike in such posts ?

TC : 🥜🥜
YoE : 2

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  • Hardly 2-3% people pay income tax and rest all use free benefits like ration (food), Healthcare.
    All these are only for below poverty line.
    Guys who pay tax are told you can earn enough to pay tax then can earn for private Healthcare and other benefits too.

    People doing business like hotels, restaurants, stores , lawyers, doctors who have own offices, clinics do not pay tax. (Mostly accept only cash or don't show any profit)

    Crime rate is highest , No safety. Harassment by govt officials, bribe culture. Justice system in this place is a joke.

    Castesim, regional bias, favouritism to the max even in private sector. Work culture is bad.

    Food adulteration, sand mafia. Education mafia.

    No strict Labour laws. Govt allows companies to exploit employees. It just doesnt want to be disturbed.

    Bank scams, fraud - people pay price for banks fault and govt doesn't care.

    Medical mafia, private hospitals looting, inflating prices of medicines, procedures, incompetent medical staff compared to developed nations. Oxygen shortage.

    Its like 10 members in a family and 2 people are earning and feeding entire family . Leader is decided by those 8 member who aren't contributing.

    Numerous issues. That's why every chance one gets they want to get out of this hell.

    You can imagine the stress :)
    Jun 29, 2021 5
    • @zoho is not the case everywhere. Some places the ration is good.

      I do appreciate your empathy towards extremely underprivileged people but imagine these people whose survival is dependent on someone else's tax don't hesitate to produce 10 children. Compared to an educated earning tax paying couple plan for ages to start a family thinking will they be able to give a good life to that child.

      About Healthcare they get full waiver in private hospitals as well whereas a cash patient has to pay in millions.

      But the govt is using this as an excuse. In the name of poor people they are looting the tax money.

      We people pay normal GST + additional income tax. So close to 50% tax and nothing in return. I would rather pay some tax elsewhere and use service like Healthcare, free quality education, social security than waste it here.

      Not looking to debate on this. You have your opinion and I have mine. I just shared my reasons why not choosing to be here.

      Thanks and wish you the best.
      Jun 29, 2021
    • Uber
      trwqwyu

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      trwqwyu
      @Microsoft That's a great answer. +100
      Jun 29, 2021
  • Amazon
    dafckd

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    dafckd
    Maybe you are looking for an opportunity yourself? That’s why blind is recommending you more of such posts …

    For me (I’m planning to move to EU), I’ve been stalling this move for more than 2 years now - I love travelling and experiencing cultures significantly different from my own (both in and out of the office) - which is why I’ve decided to leave behind an Amazon grant worth $100k (vests in 3 years).

    Life is too precious to chase money in the initial days of your career IMO. After a certain threshold, it’s all the same to me.

    If not for other personal priorities in my life, India is an awesome bet for growing in the technology space - look at the pace at which we are creating unicorns :)
    I hope it will continue in the coming years.

    Top paid engineers get paid REALLY well in India - if you consider the cost of living in our country. Always consider CoL before looking at TC.

    YoE : 4
    TC : 55 LPA
    Jun 29, 2021 1
    • Zoho / Eng
      ssak

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      ssak
      OP
      I'm not sure if I want to move out. I have equally convincing reasons to stay and to move out. So, I've not decided yet.

      I understand your love for exploring and I can very much relate to it. Experiencing different cultures, foods, etc is very fulfilling.

      Hope you get what you want.
      Jun 29, 2021
  • Blind is a new thing ; you may not like the facts but number of people moving out every year in IT industry on H1 or L1 has actually slowed down partly due to the norms becoming tougher and secondly improved startup scene in India.

    You don’t have to take my word for it . Just go back 4-5 years . Atlassian, Rubrik, Cohesity , Twilio , Microsoft none of them were hiring in same numbers as they are . Swiggy , Razorpay etc were not unicorns then . There was no PhonePe , Rippling , Coinbase, Imply , Confluent .

    Stay positive and keep distance from those who spread negativity . Scene in India is better than it ever was . No I am not trying to dissuade you from moving abroad , the reasons to do so are valid and different for different people.

    Lastly speak to someone 1:1 who has actually worked and lived abroad and in India . Arm chair experts can only generalise and paint a cliched picture .
    Jun 29, 2021 2
    • LinkedIn / Data
      Sistah

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      Sistah
      No one denies the job scene. Just that every other scene is a horror scene
      Jun 29, 2021
    • > you may not like the facts but number of people moving out every year in IT industry on H1 or L1 has actually slowed down
      Are you talking about absolute numbers or relative percentage? Either way, unless you have official data, it is dangerous to suggest this from just personal experience.

      > none of them were hiring in same numbers as they are
      Again, it is dangerous to suggest from personal experience. For all you know, the total number of engineers also increased proportionally. I do agree with this to some extent though. There is increased emphasis on job creation and MNCs no longer see Indian devs as maintenance workers.

      > Stay positive and keep distance from those who spread negativity
      What negativity are you referring to here? Do you mean to question the claims, in other posts, on corruption, culture, laws, discrimination and politics? Would love it if you could elaborate more on this.

      > Lastly speak to someone 1:1 who has actually worked and lived abroad and in India
      I don't see the opinion of one being better than the diverse opinion that is available on blind. If you're just restricting yourself to be advised by a single person, you're not open to a more nuanced argument.
      Jun 29, 2021
  • Because we live in a country where biggest achievement is to leave the country!
    Jun 29, 2021 3
    • Google
      EEVK28

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      EEVK28
      Sad, but, agree with this statement. I wouldn't be too worried though. I have seen lots of people return back home after spending some time outside India at Google. As long as people consider India their home, they are bound to return back someday to their Family and country once they realize that every country has its own set of issues and problems. Though, not everyone will not come back.
      Jun 29, 2021
    • > Because we live in a country where biggest achievement is to leave the country!
      Perhaps! But there are deeper reasons for that, IMO. I am not going to go into detail (because I am somewhat ignorant myself) but this "social honour/stigma" is not arbitrary.
      Jun 29, 2021
  • Personally, I've always been frustrated about the state of politics here but it crossed the threshold particularly during Covid mismanagement. There's gross levels of administrative ineptness, criminal negligence, corruption, superstitious and shitty beliefs driving policies and the general unscientific attitude that is so prominent. It ultimately has the potential to affect your personal well being to an incredible level. A friend lost both his parents to covid and I blame government for that. We are also all locked down inside scared of the virus, but everything is back to normal, more or less, in the west.

    That was the primary motivating factor why I started looking for jobs outside and got an offer in London, fortunately. A lot of my friends feel so too btw.
    Jun 29, 2021 3