I am curious about Americans view on legal immigration - especially the ones against it. Immigrants have been such as asset to this community and I feel the backlash towards legal immigrant community has been due to other systemic factors and govt failures wrt to education and healthcare. Economic distress leading to populist uprising. Some facts we all know are true 1. US is an aging population (like Canada and other Western Europe countries) Demographers are freaking out as it reached its historic low in July this year. It means US needs immigrants and productive young workforce so that it can sustain its taxes, medicare & social security benefits (meant only for citizens - very conditional for immigrants). Legal immigrants fill that gap well. If that is stopped, quite obvious Greece will happen in 20 years. Do you want your SS and MC to be screwed in 20 years? 2. Legal immigrants contribute upto 1 billion of social security and medicare taxes. 37% of silicon valley workers are immigrants. Not only do they pay high taxes but also contribute to trickle down economy since they call US their home. 3. The best and the brightest get attracted to American dream. How will US benefit if they give the message “well US doesnt care and you are not welcome”? 4. 40% colleges have already seen a dip in their international admissions this year. Reasons being anti immigrant sentiment coupled with competition from Canada & Australia. Is that good? 5. How will stopping/curbing legal immigration create more jobs? Why wont profit mongers like Fb/Google just move jobs to location outside US with better talent and low pay? We see that, dont we? When an employee’s visa expire in big companies, the employee is transferred to Canada/China/India, have never seen that position being backfilled in US. US loss - point 2 above. Also, there are enough jobs for everyone and unemployment rates are dropping. 6. America has been the country of immigrants and has benefitted tremendously. Do you want that definition to change with protectionist and non competitive policies? P.S: Lets for a moment pass the arguments on legal immigration abuse. No doubt that it should be fixed. Just interested in big picture from your perspective if legal immigration is stopped/curbed. Should not Americans come together to fix more systemic policy gaps in higher college education (high school dropouts cannot be product managers in Fb, can they?)and medical instead of backlashing legal immigrants?
Republicans or trump supporters want to allow legal immigration as long as you are white. That is the current reality.
+1.. As long as your skin is not darker than their skin by 2 shades, you are welcome into the country..
I dont think thats true. Lets not delve into racism.. truth be told we all are equally guilty of being racist. Unconscious biases are a reality. Someone being 2 shades darker doesnt make them any less racist. Guess what, I have met awesome folks and pathetic people irrespective of skin color. I would say you are propagating racism by just having the thought.
People are wary of outsiders, especially those who are very different; some prefer things to remain the same, and may think that's actually possible; on a related note, if your city is going through rapid transformation, you may feel like being alienated in your own neighbourhood, that feeling of losing your roots can be quite upsetting.
Very valid perspective. However, isnt that interesting given that very “roots” is all about immigration. However, the cultural conflict will always be a major challenge I agree.
Because: (1) Not all legal immigration is people who have valuable skills. The diversity lottery hands 50,000 green cards every year. The only requirement is that applicants have finished high school. Wtf? (2) 70% of legal immigrants use family connections rather than being evaluated directly on their merit. While obviously people should be able to bring their spouse and kids with them, there should be restrictions on other types of relatives. (3) The legal H-1B system is being abused a lot. There are basically no repercussions as long as you pay a salary of $60K which is hilariously low. See the Disney and Southern California Edison layoffs, for example. (4) People who are waiting for green cards, and currently on H-1B’s, have difficulty switching jobs. If a significant minority does not have the freedom to switch jobs, it depresses wages for everyone.
1) Its a diversity lottery not IQ. 2) Some cultures place a lot on parents children ties(children are expected to be close to parents when they age). No harm respecting that. Elderly parents wont take jobs. Will lead to more fulfilling life for immigrants and for US, lot of dollar bills will stay in US. Agree on restriction for other types. 3) Abuse has to be fixed. No doubt. 4) The Obama rule eased that. Now people on H1Bs can easily switch jobs.
(1) Yeah, fuck that. Should be merit based. Given the long lines your coworkers from India/China are enduring, I can’t believe you’re against moving these 50K into the merit based pool. (2) Sure, so give elderly parents visas. That’s already in the RAISE Act proposal. (4) Not so easily if you also have a green card pending, because switching jobs can endanger your place in line. Especially for engineer -> manager hires/promotions. So yes you can stay on H-1B, but the prospect of losing your green card place in line is an effective deterrent.
The anti family idea President Chump is pushing is ignorant. Data shows that people with family connections are the most likely to be long term successful. The "dey took r jabs" crowd just doesn't understand economics: immigrants create more jobs than they take.
What data, bro? By the way, it’s not really anti-family. If your siblings are smart like you, they’d also be able to get in.
https://www.jstor.org/stable/2546998?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents
Local residents across the globe all dislike immigration unless they got something out of it, like cheaper prices, or else it is just a competition for jobs. You will always find that it is the rich who favors them and poor and middle class not so much. Republicans and Trump are not holier, they are just doing what the white mid Westerners and southerners wanted.
Am not against immigration—US has benefitted historically from drawing on non-US citizens. I am, however, against the system abuse (eg big consulting firms), politicians who use it as a platform for fear-mongering and the haters (you don’t like it here, go the fuck home).
Abuse is the termite. Harms everyone except the big firms making 💵
Dip in international admissions is not necessarily a bad thing. Are MIT, Harvard, Stanford, Berkeley, etc having fewer international applicants? Or is it mostly the small-name Directional State University types, who use international students as just a cash cow? I’m interested in the raw data from which the 40% stat was produced.
Yeah, the article basically only mentions Directional State Universities. Boo hoo.
This is a good thing for residents of the state. It will make acceptance a little bit easier.
The irony is that this country is almost entirely built through immigration. The majority of Americans have immigrant blood less than 3 generations ago. People just like to have something to hate and blame for the troubles in thier own lives.
People just don't hold the same belief as their ancestors. Actually, I doubt the original colonists conquered America on the belief that all should be welcome to the land of free.
@Hhy Correct. Like all of the immigrants that hate Trump for causing troubles in their lives, because he believes the interests of citizens should be placed above the interests of immigrants.
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Benefits of immigration are always seen in the long run. The government and most companies (except the ones who are pro-immigration) are looking only at short run benefits, such as cost-cutting for profitability, winning rural American vote banks etc.
Americans people even in rural areas deserve to know the reality, dont they? They might be rural but not stupid. Some party in politics will always try to polarize and ignite populist sentiments for easy vote bank, but citizens should see through it and come together to ask questions that matter like - What is happening with increasing tuition fees and debts for middle class American young kids who are forced to drop out. If not, be in debt forever?
How is it cost cutting when my employer pays me over 150,000 in addition to all the legal fees which typically run over $10,000 every 3 years