Immigration

Dec 26, 2017 168 Comments

I am curious about Americans view on legal immigration - especially the ones against it. Immigrants have been such as asset to this community and I feel the backlash towards legal immigrant community has been due to other systemic factors and govt failures wrt to education and healthcare. Economic distress leading to populist uprising. Some facts we all know are true
1. US is an aging population (like Canada and other Western Europe countries) Demographers are freaking out as it reached its historic low in July this year. It means US needs immigrants and productive young workforce so that it can sustain its taxes, medicare & social security benefits (meant only for citizens - very conditional for immigrants). Legal immigrants fill that gap well. If that is stopped, quite obvious Greece will happen in 20 years. Do you want your SS and MC to be screwed in 20 years?
2. Legal immigrants contribute upto 1 billion of social security and medicare taxes. 37% of silicon valley workers are immigrants. Not only do they pay high taxes but also contribute to trickle down economy since they call US their home.
3. The best and the brightest get attracted to American dream. How will US benefit if they give the message “well US doesnt care and you are not welcome”?
4. 40% colleges have already seen a dip in their international admissions this year. Reasons being anti immigrant sentiment coupled with competition from Canada & Australia. Is that good?
5. How will stopping/curbing legal immigration create more jobs? Why wont profit mongers like Fb/Google just move jobs to location outside US with better talent and low pay? We see that, dont we? When an employee’s visa expire in big companies, the employee is transferred to Canada/China/India, have never seen that position being backfilled in US. US loss - point 2 above. Also, there are enough jobs for everyone and unemployment rates are dropping.
6. America has been the country of immigrants and has benefitted tremendously. Do you want that definition to change with protectionist and non competitive policies?

P.S: Lets for a moment pass the arguments on legal immigration abuse. No doubt that it should be fixed.

Just interested in big picture from your perspective if legal immigration is stopped/curbed. Should not Americans come together to fix more systemic policy gaps in higher college education (high school dropouts cannot be product managers in Fb, can they?)and medical instead of backlashing legal immigrants?

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TOP 168 Comments
  • Oracle P:3dfEr
    Republicans or trump supporters want to allow legal immigration as long as you are white. That is the current reality.
    Dec 26, 2017 13
    • Oracle Iiii88888
      @P:3
      Hahaha


      Case in point.
      Dec 26, 2017
    • Amazon / Product FuckObama
      Those comments on Haiti and Nigeria were from 1 unnamed source at the meeting and a 2nd unnamed source who heard about it. Don't fall for unverified stories so easily.
      Dec 27, 2017
  • Amazon / Eng
    Hooliganss

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    Hooliganssmore
    People are against legal immigration?
    Dec 26, 2017 12
    • Amazon 🥓 lover
      Actually it doesn't because the top 100 college guy might work in non tech and yet be a better addition to the US than a highschool dropout who studied leetcode and got into Facebook.

      For example many scientific researchers are paid less than software developers. Salary is not the only measure of worth.
      Dec 26, 2017
    • Google / Eng
      eYiX63

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      eYiX63more
      They should raise the minimum salary for H-1 visas to 200k. Most larger companies can afford that
      Dec 27, 2017
  • Good to see everyone in favor of legal immigration. However a reform is much needed esp to contain the abuse. Wonder what are your views on spousal GCs? About a quarter of all GCs goto immigrants who married citizens. They are not necessarily skilled or pay taxes like a lot of high skilled legal immigrants do for years!
    Dec 30, 2017 62
    • Amazon eek a 🐁
      ^^^ troll still refusing to learn economics

      No comments are being deleted, I just keep moving this one to the bottom.
      Jan 2, 2018
    • Amazon / Eng
      Hooliganss

      Amazon Eng

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      Hooliganssmore
      8/13
      Jan 2, 2018
  • Because:
    (1) Not all legal immigration is people who have valuable skills. The diversity lottery hands 50,000 green cards every year. The only requirement is that applicants have finished high school. Wtf?

    (2) 70% of legal immigrants use family connections rather than being evaluated directly on their merit. While obviously people should be able to bring their spouse and kids with them, there should be restrictions on other types of relatives.

    (3) The legal H-1B system is being abused a lot. There are basically no repercussions as long as you pay a salary of $60K which is hilariously low. See the Disney and Southern California Edison layoffs, for example.

    (4) People who are waiting for green cards, and currently on H-1B’s, have difficulty switching jobs. If a significant minority does not have the freedom to switch jobs, it depresses wages for everyone.
    Dec 26, 2017 11
    • Walmart IgVY23
      There are thousands of h1b fraud visas floating around, that’s what ruins it for the folks who work hard and want to stay
      Dec 27, 2017
    • ^ exactly. If you think legal immigration is a good thing, you should call out abuse to continue defending the integrity of the system in the public eye. Otherwise it will be voted out.
      Dec 27, 2017
  • New / Product
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    Billybabymore
    Benefits of immigration are always seen in the long run. The government and most companies (except the ones who are pro-immigration) are looking only at short run benefits, such as cost-cutting for profitability, winning rural American vote banks etc.
    Dec 26, 2017 6
    • ^ Microsoft how long have you worked there? No one is claiming you get paid less than your coworkers btw.
      Dec 26, 2017
    • eBay Deeamr
      Citizens are flight risk and don’t need any sponsorship from the company meaning companies holding power is reduced
      Dec 26, 2017
  • T-Mobile / Eng p021dbw32
    I think all the smartest people from all over the world should be welcomed here and given citizenship. We should take all the smartest and thrive as the greatest nation.
    Dec 27, 2017 2
  • Microsoft newyorkhky
    Am not against immigration—US has benefitted historically from drawing on non-US citizens.

    I am, however, against the system abuse (eg big consulting firms), politicians who use it as a platform for fear-mongering and the haters (you don’t like it here, go the fuck home).
    Dec 26, 2017 1
    • OP
      Abuse is the termite. Harms everyone except the big firms making 💵
      Dec 26, 2017
  • TuneIn ibelieve
    People are wary of outsiders, especially those who are very different;

    some prefer things to remain the same, and may think that's actually possible;

    on a related note, if your city is going through rapid transformation, you may feel like being alienated in your own neighbourhood, that feeling of losing your roots can be quite upsetting.
    Dec 26, 2017 1
    • OP
      Very valid perspective. However, isnt that interesting given that very “roots” is all about immigration. However, the cultural conflict will always be a major challenge I agree.
      Dec 26, 2017
  • Kaspersky Lab Rtyuip
    Well, some says that population ages because younger generations can't afford having kids, so they might be mad that goverement support immigration instead of younger Americans
    Dec 26, 2017 2
    • Amazon 🥓 lover
      Which is utter nonsense. But I don't doubt you that people get angry over false beliefs.
      Dec 26, 2017
    • Kaspersky Lab Rtyuip
      True, well what I was trying to say that people had been angry at government for many reasons, and there are maybe a point when they are angry about everything USG does and can't think straight anymore
      Dec 26, 2017
  • Gallagher / Eng HhyD10
    The irony is that this country is almost entirely built through immigration. The majority of Americans have immigrant blood less than 3 generations ago. People just like to have something to hate and blame for the troubles in thier own lives.
    Dec 26, 2017 2
    • TuneIn ibelieve
      People just don't hold the same belief as their ancestors. Actually, I doubt the original colonists conquered America on the belief that all should be welcome to the land of free.
      Dec 26, 2017
    • Oracle Iiii88888
      @Hhy

      Correct.

      Like all of the immigrants that hate Trump for causing troubles in their lives, because he believes the interests of citizens should be placed above the interests of immigrants.
      Dec 26, 2017

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