Inside Google’s shadow workforce

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Mojoman

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Jul 27, 2018 36 Comments

Google contracts a ton from Adecco and HCL. Why pay these middlemen so much instead of just hiring these contractors as full-time? Spread the wealth. Adecco is a glorified body shop that had $27 billion in revenues. Where are you Google employees in advocating for these temp workers? It looks like you guys treat them as second-class citizens and instead engage in virtue signaling with issues like diversity. http://www.latimes.com/business/technology/la-fi-tn-google-contractors-20180727-story.html

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  • Google / Eng
    chicke

    Google Eng

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    chickemore
    Everyone here gets treated with respect, regardless of their status (eg intern, free, contractor, cafeteria lady). Others would know better than me, but most contractors are in areas that are not Google's strength. Operations, customer support, food services, etc.

    That frees up the cost of HR from having to do recruiting and paperwork for them. Also allows the company to be more nimble when needed. The fact that they get paid, have a job, get most of the free perks, and are happy working there is strictly better than not having the opportunity to be at Google at all.
    Jul 27, 2018 6
    • New / Mktg
      Mojoman

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      Hiring is extremely complex and expensive process-for cooks, and other blue-collar professions? Why do you guys have to pay a middleman body shop for them instead of hiring your cooks another blue-collar workers full-time? The money that you guys use to pay these useless body shoppers could be used on hiring blue-collar contractors as full timers instead. That way at least you spread the wealth around. After all you make tons of money off the data that these very same blue-collar workers provide to you through the use of Google. You’re all star millionaire engineers won’t exist without having data for their machine learning training sets.
      Jul 27, 2018
    • Microsoft CykaBlyat
      No, no, see, the cost is absorbed by the contracting company and is covered in the difference between the $150/hr they charge Google and the $50/hr they pay the worker. But Google is spending less than they would to hire the person and give them, you know, benefits... so it's a win for Google. 😁
      Jul 27, 2018
  • Amazon Mr.Crabs
    After the startup I was at went under a few years back, I was on the job search and Adecco reached out to me for a role at Google Express. I wasn’t technical at the time so it was for a business role.

    You really do feel like a second class citizen in one of these body shops. The staffing company treats you like a commodity and the company you’re prostituted to wants nothing to do with you beyond the hourly wage. This made me mad and I studied coding on my own time for a year while making $50-$60K as a contractor in MTV. Out of spite, I applied and ended up getting a full time SWE offer at Google but didn’t want to live a life of ignorant bliss like many of the other engineers in the company.

    I went to Amazon instead and although people complain about working conditions and whatnot they actually do give full benefits to the non-tech employees which is by far more generous than hiring a massive amount of contractors.

    Been trying to help fellow contractors get out of their situation ever since but it’s still such a struggle.
    Jul 27, 2018 6
    • Microsoft / Eng
      Goswim

      Microsoft Eng

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      Hate coding quizzes but studying hard for better future!
      Goswimmore
      In turn, you get more easily fired. Like half full time half contractor.
      Jul 27, 2018
    • Amazon primeday2
      You forgot to check our fulfillment centers
      Jul 27, 2018
  • Google SoSad
    When we can prove we'll have long term work for the person to do and that work is core to what Google does we get full time HC. Otherwise, we get TVCs.
    Jul 27, 2018 15
    • Oscar / Eng
      tc/gtfo

      Oscar Eng

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      I am real.
      tc/gtfomore
      insurance is the biggest expense. Salary is cheap. Insurance is not.
      Jul 29, 2018
    • New / Mktg
      Mojoman

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      Product Marketer in BI, analytics, enterprise SW
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      Buddy Guy, perhaps they should simply hire adeco to do the interviewing and sourcing, but not the subcontracting. And of a deco won’t budge, I’m sure there are several other recruitment agencies that will be more than happy to source candidates for these blue-collar jobs so that they may also have a life instead of being perpetual slaves.
      Jul 29, 2018
  • Cisco rkHq23
    India is Southeast Asia?
    Jul 27, 2018 2
    • Oscar / Eng
      tc/gtfo

      Oscar Eng

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      Hi. I am real and I am pretty friendly. Just here for some happiness.
      tc/gtfomore
      Hmm yes? *in*
      Jul 27, 2018
    • Splunk eGRt21
      No! Only amongst stuffy aging professors!
      Jul 27, 2018
  • Oscar / Eng
    tc/gtfo

    Oscar Eng

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    Hi. I am real and I am pretty friendly. Just here for some happiness.
    tc/gtfomore
    Google has this problem for a very long time. This is not the first news article about poor treatments of contractors.
    Jul 27, 2018 0
  • Oracle 123hhffg
    so you are employed by one of the body shop?
    Jul 27, 2018 1
    • New / Mktg
      Mojoman

      New Mktg

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      Nope, I would never do that. I am my own independent consultant these days.
      Jul 27, 2018

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