I have seen many of my colleagues, who could not keep up with technology, became managers over time. The management path seems way easier, most of these people who would have been a Senior engineer at the max, are now directors and even VPs. Reaching their equivalent IC level seems impossible, it requires company wide or industry wide contributions. Is it really fair?
If you are jealous, you can also climb the management ladder. If you are not good enough for management, suck it up and STFU. Stop whining like a little twat.
Why are you getting so angry, I am trying to have a civilized conversation. It seems you also see the same truth but are ashamed to accept it, hence all the anger.
No one is angry. You are just annoying and jealous of other people's success. Grow up, be mature, and, as Russell Peters says it, be a man.
As someone who wants to get on the management side of things, my goal is to be a competent and supportive manager to a team of great engineers
Ok, So?
If you really want your techinchal skills to make you money and not go the managmnt route be a research scientist not applied but one of those guys working on cutrent research or a soft engineer/quant at a small trading firm. In those places you can be really successful withouth being a manager
Thanks, that seems a good advice
Life isn't fair lol
Yeah, I think so too
So then what's the problem?
It seems you don't understand the skills required to be successful in management. Having soft skills, influencing people, making people agree to what you think, making a decision that makes or breaks a project. As a manager you have people complaining to you all the time. Keeping everyone happy, is no easy task. They might not be technically so good, but surely have the skills that matter to be in management. IMHO, these skills are more difficult to learn than technical ones.
A million times more difficult
Seems like just passing over the requirements from product managers to developers.
Noob.
Nope
Yep.
What you have seen is true. Management seems to be the path of least resistance when it comes to career growth. In places like fb, goog, lnkd managers are a joke. Most have no idea on what the team is even doing. Sadly in the tech industry, It's all about perceived impact.
Thanks for confirming
Not all manager ends up as a director. Of the people who choose management only the ones who are good at it becomes directors, VP etc
Lol ok
The main job is to gatekeep salary, manage jealousy, remind immature people what to do, and recruit a team that can stand each other. A team of mature, well adjusted engineers runs itself
And to laid off toxic people like OP
h0r4y, why are you getting so worked up? Calm down, if you cannot handle one person with a different opinion, how would you โmanageโ a team?
It's not about fair. it's supply and demand. Maybe instead of thinking of what is and isn't fair you might want to look at why these people can succeed in these roles and you aren't even considered. Technical skills are not the end all be all.
Itโs not that I or anyone else who likes staying an IC are not considered for management roles, I am sure any of us can easily get mgmt roles, actually we have fought against the business pressure of becoming a manager at times. Itโs about less competent people are more successful because they choose an easier path, itโs unnatural.
If you think management is easier then you clearly do not understand management and that explains why your friends got promoted and you didn't.