Jobs moving out to Canada!

Mar 25, 2019 33 Comments

TL;DR
`Toronto added more tech jobs than Seattle, Washington D.C., and the “Bay Area” combined` 🤐.

Current government is failing to handle the issues with h1b properly. Steps taken by current government is effecting even companies of FAANG. Now, the result is h1bs taking their jobs with them to other countries.

If this continues to happen it would be a big blow to Americans especially with current rate of new graduates in US.
Eventually, I see this hitting Americans a lot than h1bs, as h1bs have an option to move to other country or their home country.

https://insights.dice.com/2019/03/25/h-1b-hiring-moving-jobs-canada/amp/

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TOP 33 Comments
  • Amazon / Other ebrg2
    I doubt this is accurate. Also Trump mentioned he wants to reform the US immigration system towards merit based like Canada.
    Mar 25, 2019 3
    • Google wFatDuck2
      Haha best joke in a while
      Mar 26, 2019
    • Intuit / Other
      Wewillsee

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      Wewillseemore
      When will that be???
      Mar 26, 2019
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    Skeltp

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    Skeltpmore
    Am in H1b and I don’t think your analysis is true
    Mar 25, 2019 0
  • Nvidia DE2019
    Lol they pay peanuts . I have few Canadian citizens working with me moved here from Canada with 2 kids . No one moves from Bay Area to Canada
    Mar 25, 2019 7
    • Amazon OVMT63
      Been there, done that. In Seattle now. Seattle's better than the Bay area but it's still not the same quality of living as Canada. But yeah the salaries are 50% higher so here I am stashing away savings like everyone else, but can't wait to get out of these shitholes.

      Do you think that tech ruined these places or they always sucked?
      Mar 25, 2019
    • Tech bros ruined it. No culture anymore.
      Mar 26, 2019
  • Microsoft / Data rets
    I have an Ivy League PhD and my H1B recently got rejected. This article is spot on.
    Mar 26, 2019 2
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      tech.ladki

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      tech.ladkimore
      Hopefully your Ivy League PhD was not in social sciences!
      PhD in Math from SCU > PhD in sociology from Harvard
      Mar 26, 2019
    • Microsoft / Data rets
      Nope, physical sciences.
      Mar 26, 2019
  • Google mcml
    No one really wants to move there but they’re forced to because of nonsensical visa issues. America still has huge pulling power but they need to get their act together at some point before Canada / other European tech hubs start becoming viable alternatives to people who can work in the US but still don’t want to deal with the broken immigration system.
    Mar 25, 2019 0
  • Microsoft true-doh
    I personally choose Canada for raising a family because in a place like Toronto or Vancouver, regardless of what you earn, you get access to the best resources in terms of education and health care, family leave.Getting high quality in these areas in a well.developed city in the US would cost a fortune! US "You have to pay $1000 for this surgery, 5000$ per year for our private school..no exceptions". US employers " This is an at will employment state so we can fire you/lay you off whenever for whatever reason, our CEO will get 9 months of maternity leave but our lower tier workers only get 1 month". Canada "pay 30% of your income and you can get surgery from our top specialist, send your child to a good public school". Canadian employers "Because of strong unions and laws that protect workers, we can't just lay people off or fire quickly, it has to be well documented, genuine, and scrutinized by union members and our company lawyers. Also we give the same family leave policy for everyone (upto 52 weeks)." Under the US system I have to live in restricted frugal way because I have to save for necessities like children's education and healthcare with after tax dollars and I don't know how high the cost will be when the time comes for me to use these resources. This made me really unhappy. In Canada it's not as bad, I don't have to hold back from spending on pleasure so much. A vacation and eating out once in a while won't cost me access to a doctor or a good quality education for my children.
    Mar 26, 2019 4
    • Amazon / Other y2dry3
      I see your points and they are also valid. However I came to Canada in the hope for a better life, like being able to buy a larger lot of land with a bigger house etc. Unfortunately it turns out I'm now worse off than I used to be back in one of Europes top countries in almost every aspect you also consider. Not sure yet, but I will likely return in a year's time.

      Canada was way more attractive for European immigrants like 40 years ago, mainly 70/80s. All those made a fortune from property value increase alone, even with shitty income. My 180k CAD is a brilliant income but buys me nothing in Greater Van....
      Mar 29, 2019
    • Microsoft true-doh
      Yup. It's good that you've fleshed out your expectations. That should be the driving force behind a relocation imho. Comp isn't everything and Ive learned this by living in the US actually lol.
      Mar 29, 2019
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    tech.ladki

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    tech.ladkimore
    Pay sucks, I as an H1B holder myself think these reports are exaggerated
    Considering that those are more backup options for the US, the US can anyday change their visa policies and get all the immigrants and jobs back.
    Mar 25, 2019 1
    • Company would give you good incentives to move there through pay if they save more because of legal / immigration procedures
      Mar 26, 2019
  • Aspen Technology / Consultant wUHa67
    Interesting... but why aren't these jobs going to India if the talent is mostly from India? Why Canada?
    I think articles like this are designed to feed into a confirmation bias "US immigration bad" rather than paint a comprehensive picture. An article recently showed that FANG companies received 99% h1b approvals while WITCH companies suffered the most rejections. Is this move to Canada because of the difficulties of wipro and co in getting visas?
    Secondly, h1b is not the only way company's can get overseas talent. There's L1 and there's green card directly. So what's all the hullabaloo around h1b?
    It's all well and good to say Toronto added more jobs than Seattle, SF said etc combined but from what base point? It's like saying Rwanda experienced higher economic growth rates than Germany, but would that mean Rwanda automatically is set to have a stronger economy than Germany?
    These articles are designed to work best in an echo chamber like Blind.
    Mar 26, 2019 3
    • Aspen Technology / Consultant wUHa67
      Overtake in what sense? GDP? That's not going to happen in 15 years. At 1. Billion India has a GDP of 2.5T, US is 19 T. Do you reckon tech jobs will close the gap? Growth? India already has a very high growth rate. PPP? Not likely. Gdp per head? This is very important because that speaks to individual prosperity, to be half of the US gpd per India would have to grow its current GDP by 25 times. What reasonable metrics can you use to say India will overtake US?
      Mar 26, 2019
    • Microsoft / Data rets
      PPP and the demise of the USD as the world's reserve currency.
      Mar 26, 2019
  • Aspen Technology / Consultant wUHa67
    The mainstream media and media and their emotive stories. It ticks me off because there is a reason US is US, and Canada is Canada... at this point in history. And it's not because of h1b. The problem is this writer is looking for a story that fits in with the current narrative. US immigration bad, Canada immigration good. Without looking at the nuances behind the narrative.
    Finally, what's wrong with Canada growing it's tech industry? Can't Canada's gain also be US's gain?
    This zero sum point of view is just not how the world works.
    Mar 26, 2019 1
    • Google mcml
      It is pretty zero sum rn because the only reason the Canadian tech industry is growing is because the US is losing those jobs. There isn’t an organic demand for tech in Canada, there’s a ton of demand in the US and Canada is absorbing a little bit of it because the US apparently isn’t interested in free taxes from high paying jobs.
      Mar 26, 2019
  • Oracle / Eng Larry elli
    But it is mighty cold even in Toronto. Only livable place I could see is Vancouver (or rather few cities in B.C.) . Cost of living is damn crazy in B.C. Let me know if there are better options. I wouldn't want to be confined home for 8 out of 12 months
    Mar 25, 2019 1
    • Google / Other fbFf44
      The folks who are moving are those who don't want to be confined to visa and get sucked and lose their soul.
      Mar 26, 2019

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