Just an info on the process of H1B

Oct 29, 2019 30 Comments

Here on Blind, I have seen some posts where people say that H1Bs should not be hired, or the quota should be reduced from 85,000 to 500, as they are taking away American jobs. (we've heard the same about other immigrant communities, but for those coming on student visa, are apparently taking away American tech jobs)

So let me tell you the process one has to go through, to reach here, the problems we face, and the compensation we make.

1. GRE and TOEFL exam - For many $400 worth of test is actually a lot of money. My salary in India started at $500 a month.
2. LORs, college specific application fee, and maybe interviews to get into a University
3. For visa, show 1-2 years of money in your account (including tuition fees, books, rent, air travel)
4. Do the Masters, probably get a research and or teaching assistantship to manage expenses.
5. After Master's, during a job fair, I was eligible for 5 out 50 companies because only they can sponsor visa.
6. If somehow you manage to get a job, then starts OPT application. Send forms to USCIS every 6 months to prove that what you're working on is directly related to the field of study, goals for next 6 months, achievements in the past 6 months.
7. Apply for OPT extension
8. H1B - Apply for H1B, get lucky to be picked up in a crazy lottery system with less than 50% chance, and be ready to leave the country if you don't get picked up in the lottery in 3 trials. If by chance you get picked up, there's now 20% chance, you can get RFE and get rejected, because some rando at USCIS was having a bad day.
9. If you get H1B, follow more process, fill several forms. If you want to change companies, those companies should also be ready to sponsor visas, and it can take at least 6 weeks. (you can get rejected there as well)
10. If a company decides to fire you, or you get caught in the lay off cycles, you have at most 60 days to find another job. (process of application and getting a call, setting interviews itself can take weeks, remember not all can sponsor visa, many times you clear interview and later they can change their mind on sponsorship).

Many of my friends who did get picked up in the lottery system, or got laid off during downsizing, after going through the physically and mentally exhausting gymnastics mentioned before, had to pack their bags and leave everything. Sell of their cars. Find a sublet. Sell their stuff, and go back home sad.

I get paid $250k.. With 5 yoe.. A lot of us do.
Are there companies who are abusing the Visa system? Absolutely!
Are there some people who aren't as qualified but they are used as cheap tech labourers to get the job done? Yes!
Does that represent the majority who leetcode for months and run around every company at job fairs just to get a chance to interview? NO!!!

So do you think those on H1B have it easy because you think companies somehow prefer H1Bs over citizens?

I want to know why do you think companies would hire H1Bs when it's more complicated, unstable, expensive (attorneys and additional sponsorship), pay a good compensation, just to avoid hiring American citizens?

Do you really think HRs are specifically selecting those on visas and ignoring others? I really want to know what you think. And what clarifications those on visa can give you.

Note: I didn't get picked up in lottery system in the past 2 years. I'm on F1 and one more lucky draw. :)

Haven't proofread this. So please ignore the typos.


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TOP 30 Comments
  • EPAM Systems gifnYebd
    H1b lottery chance is less than 30%, courtesy to Indian WITCH companies.

    Also what you've described is a very far cry from the reality of how an H1b visa is obtained and what's required for it.
    Oct 29, 2019 15
    • EPAM Systems gifnYebd
      "new", you have no clue what you're talking about 🤷‍♂️

      You're generally clueless. Perhaps well educated, yet stupid and naive and worst of all, you can't make a difference between generality and an exception.

      You've posted one big bullshit and it seems like you are really proud of it.

      You have absolutely no understanding of the world you've entered.
      Oct 30, 2019
    • "You have absolutely no understanding of the world you've entered."
      You make assumptions really quickly.

      "you can't make a difference between generality and an exception."
      Is EPAM an exception of services/consulting?

      "You've posted one big bullshit and it seems like you are really proud of it."
      Didn't you felt really proud when pointing out at other's miseries?

      "You're generally clueless."
      I very well know what I do and I do it really well.
      Oct 31, 2019
  • Visa godinme
    One thing I want to highlight, on your point “very few companies sponsor Visa”- there is a good reason for this, they are not sponsoring Visa because they are obligated to do a favor by hiring people from foreign countries, but to get the best talent from a competitive talent pool which in turn will help them generate revenue/ profits. This is how businesses are run.

    As immigrants you should stop thinking that America owes you something. This is a wrong perception. America is a land of opportunities and a land of immigrants. Each immigrant had to go through her/his/(third gender) share of struggle to call America as their home. And, the process which you ranted about, is needed to make sure that skilled and talented people are brought in to address the labor gap in technology domain. An analogy, would you let anybody into your home, without getting to know why they want to get it? Similarly, think of America as a home which you don’t own as a foreign national.

    PS: I am an immigrant as well.
    Oct 29, 2019 3
    • Lyft hurrayy
      The only difference is that earlier immigrants just walked in to do any job aka the struggle while india/china have ridiculous wait lists and people from there have to essentially wait for decades due to artificial country caps.

      Classic nimbyism.
      Oct 29, 2019
    • @lyft, yes, including Indians who came here during Y2K got their GC long ago, and now they talk about some kind of "struggle" they had to go through.
      Oct 29, 2019
  • Microsoft y33
    This thread serves a good reminder as to the hatred towards Indian immigrants. If you notice, OP just talked about the struggles of being a long term visa holder in this country.This applies to anyone going through the higher education STEM OPT process. OP did not say (s)he was better than migrants from other places. OP did not ask for more green cards or anything like that. OP wasn't doing activism, wasn't asking for your votes, wasn't calling senators. But, like clockwork, immigrants from other nationalities started hating on OP and Indian immigrants in general. Thank you for showing us that you are not driven by your urge for fairness but by your hatred for Indians.
    Oct 29, 2019 0
  • Apple Natallia
    One question: wouldn’t you be better off to work in your own country? Why do you through all this hell? Life in India and China isn’t bad for engineers. You can afford similar things and you get to enjoy living in your country with your people.
    Oct 29, 2019 3
    • OP
      Why should I not go wherever capitalism takes me? Companies from the US can make billions in other countries but you don't want those countries to get a piece of capitalism?
      Oct 29, 2019
    • Citadel Securities wagecuck3
      The US has opportunities to make enough money to be able to retire early, which is something that a lot of software engineers want to do, because honestly a lot of us hate work (I don't care if you like it, the point is that not everyone has the same personality). So if I don't get to stay and work in the US then I'm effectively going to lose 10-15 years of leisure.
      Oct 30, 2019
  • Amazon Yo Yo !
    H1B holders are in general more loyal to their role or manager because they are more scared of losing the job or leaving the country. And it’s not as easy for them to leave the job and find something else.
    So managers prefer them.
    Oct 29, 2019 0
  • Capgemini / IT w24dghc
    Merit based system is the need of the hour and not the lottery system. USCIS should fine abusive companies and they should be banned for filing further H1s.
    Oct 29, 2019 0
  • People exaggerate this shit ALL the time. I'm on H1B and it's not even remotely as hard as you make it out to be.
    Oct 30, 2019 0
  • New / IT 3times3
    You have described the pathway to H1B from a masters graduate.

    For majority of H1Bs, this is not the pathway. Indian body shops massively apply for H1Bs and send marginally skilled workers from India. This is the abuse that needs to be fixed. Unfortunately Americans who do not know about H1B process use a broad brush to paint all H1Bs are bad.
    Oct 30, 2019 0
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