L4 Offer - Should I take it?

Sep 11, 2019 47 Comments

1. 4 YOE, non FAANG,
2. Current TC < 100k
3. I did well on interviews, but have no competing offers.
4. Matched with 2 teams in about 2 weeks on Bay Area.
5. Got an L4 offer for 260k.
6. Levels.fyi says 272k is average for 4 Yoe in CA

I said I was ready to sign immediately for 265k, they said no - nothing extra without a competing offer. They are my top choice and I don't want to be unable to get more matches.

I'm interviewing elsewhere (they were my first onsite - rookie mistake, I know), but no offers yet.

What should I do, and why?

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  • Expedia Group / Product produxtBrah
    you literally make less than 100k and are asking about being low balled on 260
    Sep 11, 2019 2
    • Tableau krxi15
      So what? I made less than 100k and I now make 5 times that. My current comp has nothing to do with what my next company wants to offer. It is not even legal to ask for current comp in Cali.
      Sep 11, 2019
    • AT&T MsdR32
      OP
      Current salary has no bearing on market rate.
      Sep 12, 2019
  • Amazon oyVu40
    If a company has literally told you "nothing extra without a competing offer" then that tells how that company treats it's employees. Just saying.
    Sep 11, 2019 5
    • AT&T MsdR32
      OP
      No, first offer was 30k lower. My recruiter told me they will raise it before she even told me the number.
      Sep 11, 2019
    • Amazon oyVu40
      Anyway I would just accept that offer since you are coming from 100k current TC. Start working at Google but interview again in a few months. Get Google on resume once for all.
      Sep 11, 2019
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    • AT&T MsdR32
      OP
      Everyone says levels.fyi is accurate for Google, so I feel a bit undervalued that they wouldn't even add 5k per year - I'm still asking for less than average (and of course like everyone else I think I'm way better than average)
      Sep 11, 2019
    • AT&T MsdR32
      OP
      Also, I appreciate your directness!
      Sep 12, 2019
  • Google / Eng
    proletaria

    Google Eng

    BIO
    Workers of the world, unite!
    proletariamore
    Given your entire description, and assuming there's a 1-2 week deadline for the offer, I would personally accept it (leaving Google in a few weeks, so no bias there).

    I had a similar experience before accepting my Stripe offer (they wouldn't budge on a small increase in sign on), and that threw me off (why would they be so petty over such a small increase?). Ultimately, it seems to be company policy, and there's not much the individual recruiter can do, especially for us lowly L4s.

    But, depending on how you included the sign on bonus, the comp does seem a bit on the low side. However, money isn't everything, and if you like the team and can live with $265k, why not accept $260k now.

    Once you have Google on your resume, it'll be very easy to get other interviews and better offers in the future.

    So let bygones be bygones, accept now and see where you stand in 2 years :).
    Sep 11, 2019 3
    • Google / Eng
      proletaria

      Google Eng

      BIO
      Workers of the world, unite!
      proletariamore
      A few reasons, but the biggest one:
      Much harder to go up the ladder in a company with 100k+ employees with slowing growth than in a company with 1/100th the employees and explosive growth.
      Sep 12, 2019
    • AT&T MsdR32
      OP
      Makes sense, good luck!
      Sep 12, 2019
  • Verizon Digital Media Services / Sales QQfa87
    Make up your own mind. Wtf? If you cannot decide on your own you do not deserve the job. I wouldn’t hire you now bc you come off as indecisive and greedy.
    Sep 12, 2019 0
  • Cisco sidwj$
    $5k a year is not worth stressing about
    Sep 11, 2019 0
  • Verizon QusA00
    You are an idiot if you are only turning down for 5k. That is less than 100$ a week
    Sep 12, 2019 4
    • Rally Health FuPayMe$$$
      I completely agree with you. Take the max they can give right now I.e 265k. Keep interviewing and jump ship for 300k+ when it happens. Make sure you invest a large portion of your salary in low cost index funds every week. I recommend dollar cost averaging on a weekly basis. Aggressively interview at all the top companies and negotiate hard to make the most money you can.
      Sep 12, 2019
    • AT&T MsdR32
      OP
      I didn't get the 265k, so I told them I wanted to keep interviewing. I'm a bit surprised how 1 sided the results of the poll are.
      Sep 12, 2019
  • Rally Health FuPayMe$$$
    Take the offer and upgrade your life from 100k to 265k tc. Keep interviewing on the side and as soon as you get a higher offer elsewhere, leave. Even if it means leaving after a few days of joining google, do it. You have a short life. Don’t leave money on the table ever.
    Sep 11, 2019 3
    • Rally Health FuPayMe$$$
      I have had no issues changing jobs whenever I felt like. My average tenure per company is about a year and I have doubled my tc in 4 years. You seem to be setting artificial boundaries for yourself by not taking advantage of the job market.
      Sep 12, 2019
    • Compass / Other
      roriti

      Compass Other

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      Comcast
      roritimore
      It's possible that you're optimizing for short term gain at the expense of long term gain. If you don't stay at a firm long enough, you won't get enough experience to rise up the ranks and get leadership experience.

      I have no insight into your particular case, but a lot of people would be wary of hiring someone who can't stay longer than a year into more senior positions
      Sep 12, 2019
  • CenturyLink quak
    You're an idiot.
    Sep 12, 2019 1
    • AT&T MsdR32
      OP
      There's no reason to post this without any reasoning.
      Sep 12, 2019
  • Apple vnqoza
    Fyi - even if you get a competing offer they wont match it unless its FB. All others, they’ll take and lower the number by 10-20%. And they ask for proof. Just had this happen to me and they took adv of the fact my other offer involved a 2hr commute. Decided to give them a chance cuz of RSU refresher and the rep they have with treating their employees. Giving them 4yrs, if it doesnt go well then at least its much easier to bail given the brand name on resume.
    Sep 12, 2019 2
    • AT&T MsdR32
      OP
      That's crazy. I understand not matching equity in private companies (like WeWork... I do not think they are worth anywhere near 47 billion), but another public company seems strange.
      Sep 12, 2019
    • Apple vnqoza
      They understand the brand value, wlb, perks, ease of internal transfer, etc. and they leverage it to their adv like any other organization would.
      Sep 12, 2019

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