Do Hiring Managers Care about Udacity, Coursera, etc.?

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HTyJ87

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May 21, 2020 431 Comments

I feel like seeing those drops credibility on someones resume really quick, but a lot of people put them on. They’re self paced learning material with no real grades/rigor/proof that you understand the material. Feels to me like if you had space on your resume left for them, then you don’t have enough experience. Mostly referring to the intro to ML targeted ones. I’m not bashing the people who take the courses. Self learning is great, but I just don’t really see how it demonstrates value or tangible skills.

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  • Google
    dRep22

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    dRep22
    I sometimes look at resumes when looking at internal transfer.
    I dont reject someone for writing their coursers course but it does show a lack of awareness and devalus the rest of your cv
    What really matters to me
    0)If you have done a good 20% project at Google in a related topic preferably for 6+months.
    1)PhD in a related field or any field.
    2)Papers in related field
    3)Non trivial Open source contribution in related field could just be qbout implementation aspects
    4)Are you just a flat out great programmer/math olympiad winner. Someone who has contributed to c++ standards, linux kernel or ranked highly at topcoder/math olympiads.

    Its not that I hate moocs but the barrier to entry is so small that its tough to evaluate and it looks bad on you for not having the judgement to realize the barrier to entry is small.
    May 21, 2020 94
    • Google
      dRAF51

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      dRAF51
      This Googler is stupid. I see value in MOOCs. It shows you are inclined in working towards a particular area. For example machine learning. If you have no experience in ML but want to start working then definitely mention this course in resume.
      Jun 4, 2020
    • Grab
      suntzu.

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      suntzu.
      Is that for a junior Swe requirement you are talking about?
      Jul 21, 2020
  • Tableau
    24ever

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    24ever
    Yeah they dont. Ik some major dumbasses that have completed those courses. I think something impressive that would be a better investment of your time is getting into kaggle competitions or contribute to some open source data science project
    May 21, 2020 5
    • Google
      🥬 juice

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      🥬 juice
      Counterpoint: one could say the same about kaggle contests: formulaic, pointless, and flooded with wannabe folks looking for differentiators on their resume but sadly being led astray. What next, you’ll put the # lchard you’ve done on your resume as well?

      Don’t get me wrong, the courses/contests are good for you to learn and grow, and they are indicators of some amount of initiative (like lc count!) but ideally they shouldn’t be your major differentiators.
      May 26, 2020
    • Winning a Kaggle competition is really difficult. I don't think you need to get to that level of achievement to get a typical job, even as a staff data scientist at FAANG. I know a lot of former classmates and coworkers who work at these firms, and they are far from Kaggle grandmasters.
      May 26, 2020
  • Uber
    suchwow

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    suchwow
    I learned more from my udacity nanodegree than I did from my Ivy League degree
    May 25, 2020 8
    • Uber
      suchwow

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      suchwow
      https://www.udacity.com/course/self-driving-car-engineer-nanodegree--nd013

      I would be lying if I said I didn’t benefit from having the Ivy League name on my resume, but if it’s pure learning you’re concerned about, some of these MOOCs are phenomenal, with much better production value than a university course. And I’m increasingly convinced that we will find alternative ways to “credential” people than the 4/5 yr university/academia system.

      Practically, when hiring, I do take into account MOOCs, as long as there is evidence that the person actually completed the course.
      May 26, 2020
    • Personally I’m proud of my Nanodegree form Udacity. 100% helped me break into Data Analytics and was a good foundation. I have it as a short thing along with my bachelors so doesn’t “take up space” in my resume
      May 26, 2020
  • HOVER
    do8ijp

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    do8ijp
    Speaking as a hiring manager for an ML team, no, I do not value them at all. The primary reason for this is that, roughly speaking, if the “intro to ML” course was providing you with new information, then this essentially tells me that you don’t know enough about ML to fill the roles I have.

    Those courses are largely just an introduction to the topic, and while they can certainly give you a foundation that you could build upon if you wanted to pursue more advanced ML experience from there, the course alone does not provide anything substantial. Generally people come out of the course with a serviceable conversational knowledge about ML, and a rough idea of how to solve the already-solved problems in ML, but that’s about as far as it goes.

    That may be good enough as a bonus for a general CS role which could be augmented by some ML approaches, but since I’m hiring for an ML-specific role creating novel ML approaches and solving state of the art problems, the fact that a coursera course was a learning experience for them means they’re not experienced enough for my team.
    May 25, 2020 9
    • Tesla
      sksnciwj

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      sksnciwj
      How would you suggest one breaks into ML roles then if they have a general CS background and have mostly done standard backend development?

      I assume you'd supplement the coursera with side projects, kaggle, etc. Anything particular?
      May 26, 2020
    • Roku
      Auwq33

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      Auwq33
      There are lot of ml platform opportunity for backend engineer. I am not sure why everybody try to become a statistician overnight by doing basic courses. You can’t become a researcher in ml by doing coursera or udacity. Stick to your strength. Ml need better programmer more than any other field. And yes learning python is not learning ml 😀
      May 26, 2020
  • Databricks / Data
    data4u

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    data4u
    This thread is evident how much up their own ass Silicon Valley engineers are.
    May 25, 2020 5
    • Databricks / Data
      data4u

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      data4u
      Lol didn’t say that but this thread is people who are so full of themselves that just because somebody didn’t come the traditional way of 4 year college CS degree that they are not a capable engineer or perhaps better one .

      A lot of Engineers preach that you don’t need masters/phd and just leetcode and study. But it’s evident here that there is still significant stigma of not having 4 year degree.
      May 25, 2020
    • I have a PhD and the only way it was useful to me was that it allowed me to come to the states. Otherwise, waste of 5 years on a subject that is obsolete
      May 26, 2020