Hot on the tail of this thread: https://www.teamblind.com/post/8QTYPFOd
An offer has been made:
L65 (instead of 64)
comp 365
base 200
bonus 100 (over 2 yrs)
RSUs 300k (over 4 yrs)
annual bonus up to 40% (of base?)
annual RSU refresh up to 72k
But it doesn't work out to 365. That first year is 325 (annual bonus pays out well into the following year), the next year is slightly more than 365, the following 2 years are like 30-35k under, and the remaining years are like almost 100k under. (All of that assumes hitting mid-bonus/refresh; even hitting perfectly on those would still bring long-term numbers ~15k under comp.)
Any MS vets have insights to the quoted comp vs. actual calculated numbers? What prevents the two MS cliffs? (Does the base amount adjust? Annual refresh amount adjust?)
Other than the questions about how MS comp works, how does the offer look overall? (365 generally looks good when compared to L65 on levels.fyi, it's the highest data point there, but I am not seeing the math work out to that.)
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1. It’s not a RSU refresher - there’s zero guarantee you will get more shares after you sign. If you join at the wrong time you get no stock / bonus / merit increase for your first year. And yes those are the terms MS uses, not Amazon.
2. As a new employee with a high level of shares you likely will see much lower allocations at “rewards” time. That’s MS parlance as well. Again it’s based on your performance and rating by your M1/M2.
3. If you don’t meet level 65 expectations, which are actually quite high, be ready for a sharp change in compensation. And I’m serious - I’ve seen people come in at 65 and bomb out their first year; especially if the post was at 64 and they upleveled to 65. The org can 1 up or 1 down from a post to get the right candidate and TC spend.
3. At MS you can’t expect a direct correlation between YOE and level / pay. I know many with the same years of experience as what you posted and they are still level 63/64. I’ve seen some with less that are 66. Your “impact” is going to be what will help you meet target.
Good luck. Make sure you set expectations quickly with your director, have your first skip level meeting within a month and don’t assume a “first year get out of jail free” pass.