Adobe offer L4 San Jose 170k base, 135k stocks, 25k signing and 7% annual bonus. That makes it close to 240k first year TC. Checking levels.fyi this seems like a drop in level to me. Microsoft 63 corresponds to L5 at Adobe. The total comp is not great as per my opinion. What do you guys think?
Sounds low considering you are at L63 at MS
L4 is not senior in Adobe. Senior starts from L5. If you are 63 in MS, you are absolute downleveled.
I think L4 is senior.
Why are planning to leave Microsoft?
I was msft 63, and got adobe offer which was mostly similar, plus-minus 5k difference in base/stocks etc. So it should be mostly standard. I managed to ask for a little more in stocks but it seems like there were set bands (e.g. over 600 stocks required vp approval, so the team gave me 599 Max possible without higher level approval). Overall despite the money not being super high the whole work life balance and culture makes adobe a vastly better experience and I'm very happy with the decision
I joined Adobe with similar comp. Numbers and I am very happy about my decision. Amazing place to work and have a great family life.
Which company did you come to Adobe from?
Apple
L4 is junior manager at Adobe, not senior. This package is really high as a L4. Work life balance really depends on team. Some teams work about 6 hours per day, but some teams work 12 hours per day. That is not exaggeration, your day starts at 7am and you still need to work extra hours after you back home, plus 24-7 on call. Btw, horrible politics, credit stealing everywhere. Think twice before you come.
L* is individual contributor, not manager. IMO, 4 is senior but yes, actual senior role/duties start at L5.
What teams work 12 hour a day, may I know?
Also, consider the stock performance over the last 20 years of both companies, and the prospects for the next five. Adobe is just a a far better place to work than almost every other tech company. Not to mention the products are considerably more interesting.
$ADBE fell hard today :( Unicorns and Decacorns are doing good in the stock market for some reason.
That's not falling hard lol. We are right back. That's just the market. Look at a multi year trend or even a few months. Don't make a life choice off of a fucking day on wall street.
Wlb is part of your total comp. $ per hour may be better.
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