Microsoft L64 offer evaluation

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jfCw41

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jfCw41
Apr 20, 2021 46 Comments

Another low ball offer

Base : 170k
Signon : 80k split across 2 years
RSU: 300k
Target bonus -0-30 %

I don't understand how do they even compete for talent in this competitive market.

Is there any room for negotiation here? I have rejected the initial offer and wondering if it makes any sense to even try to negotiate this.
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  • IBM
    xlajduf

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    xlajduf
    They can compete cuz they know most ex amazons craves for wlb and not good enough for google or fb. So the only choice is msft with low ball
    Apr 20, 2021 7
    • Amazon
      ichimoku

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      ichimoku
      OP, that’s the same at MS. There are some really talented engineers at MS too. I am not sure what were your expectations. But, MS and Amazon pay level is approx the same. There is ESPP and entire medical is covered at MS which is still peanuts. Overall, MS is much better in wlb than Amazon or FB. Google is better than MS in terms of pay and wlb in my opinion
      Apr 20, 2021
    • Amazon
      jfCw41

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      jfCw41
      OP
      Fair point, I was probably overly optimistic that 350+ would be easily doable. Although external L6 in Amazon does make upward of 350 easily.
      Apr 20, 2021
  • Shopify
    Tsxc02

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    Tsxc02
    That's more than some people will ever make in their lifetime. Be grateful.
    Apr 20, 2021 1
    • Amazon
      jfCw41

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      jfCw41
      OP
      I don't understand how that matters. I've seen poverty up and close and understand what these number translates to in real life. This doesn't mean I'll have to settle for less because some one else will make less than this in their life.
      Apr 20, 2021
  • Lol. You come ms for wlb, not for money. Go g, fb for money.
    Apr 20, 2021 4
  • They need to compete but you are looking for completion.

    Reject. Move on.
    Apr 20, 2021 3
  • Damn that’s low. The only way you’ll improve it is with an offer in hand from G, FB, etc. Tough break!
    Apr 20, 2021 3
    • Amazon
      uvfskk

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      uvfskk
      Do you mind to share the number and level of the competing offer? I am about to have onsite with msft for L64 as well, at the same time I do have other companies in line.
      Apr 20, 2021
    • Amazon
      jfCw41

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      jfCw41
      OP
      Around 380 in total comp. In my opinion if you are even remotely expecting to get 350+ from Microsoft, you will be severely disappointed
      Apr 20, 2021