Microsoft L65 Manager Offer

Genesys / Eng asdfzxcv10
Dec 5, 2019 21 Comments

Rate a msft offer ( :

Base : 188K
On-Hire Stock : 75k / says immediate
Sign on : 30K

Annual Refreshers :
Target bonus : 0-40%
Target Stocks : Only mentions eligible?

YoE: 13

Would TC be calculated as 188k+75k+(188k*.40) ? It seems subsequent years, based on how its read, I would have TC at 188 + 40% Bonus (says up to...so not guaranteed?).

Im wondering if target stocks should be something defined in the offer. At L65, I was aiming for at least $300k TC. When I look at levels.fyi and see base / stock / bonus, should that be interpreted as annual refresher stock and an assumption that the full bonus percentage is reached?

Thank you...

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    Lowwww

    Target bonus is 20% (top performance is up to 40%)

    Stock refreshers will be awful so you need a MUCH bigger stack than that at sign-on (200+)
    Dec 5, 2019 3
    • Facebook
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      No it's the same bonus but they're tricking you by making you expect you'll get 40%

      The target for performance bonus (if you meet expectations) is 20%, the middle of that scale. If you perform well and max out your rewards you can get a 40% bonus.
      Dec 5, 2019
    • Google Krepton
      Getting 40% is extremely unlikely even if you are a top performer. Expect a median of 25%
      Dec 5, 2019
  • Genesys / Eng asdfzxcv10
    OP
    Spoke with recruiter who went to manager and came back with 100k over 2 years sign-on, 300k over 4 years on hire stock. ..roughly $357k if i hit only min stock refresher and 20% bonus.

    I was more than pleased with this and very thankful with how willing theyve been to work with me.
    Dec 5, 2019 1
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      Congrats :)

      That's MUCH more in line with what you should be getting now!
      Dec 5, 2019
  • Microsoft 6;5;hffrh
    Way too low. Need much higher on hire stock, at the minimum $400K. Sign on should be at least $100K. Also, your target annual stock award is $37.5k maxing out at $75k.
    Dec 5, 2019 1
    • Genesys / Eng asdfzxcv10
      OP
      What is the correct way to derive TC on a yearly basis based on what MS offers?
      Dec 5, 2019
  • Microsoft wpxnrosb
    Dude way too low!!!!
    Dec 5, 2019 0
  • Autodesk leetboba
    Looks like a new grad offer in SF. Sorry fam
    Dec 5, 2019 0
  • Genesys / Eng asdfzxcv10
    OP
    The most striking thing about this offer which stands out is hiring someone outside at L65 and not making an effort to retain them for at least 2-4 years. Once that TC falls off, it seems a lot of options look appealing and it could be lend to reduced performance.
    Dec 5, 2019 1
    • Microsoft GayCoder
      Every Microsoft offer feels like that
      Dec 5, 2019
  • Genesys / Eng asdfzxcv10
    OP
    Ive asked for a stock package that keeps my year 1 TC consistent over 2-4 years and inceeases sign-on. I actually have an onsite with Google on Monday for an L6 role. They have committed to expediting feedback in lieu of this offer. I hadnt mentioned that until now with the recruiter.
    Dec 5, 2019 1
    • Microsoft £
      Google L6 can beat msft offer easily for sure.
      Dec 5, 2019
  • Genesys / Eng asdfzxcv10
    OP
    No, its Corp Services Engineering.
    Dec 5, 2019 0
  • Microsoft iamletired
    You should easily be able to get $300k in stock. Base is maybe a bit low but not bad. Could maaaaybe get $200k base. I came in as an L65 almost 5 years ago and I got $180k base and $300k in stock. Target bonus is 20%. On hire stock vests over 4 years, so that's only $18.75k per year. No way you should accept this. Target stock refresher is $36k per year, I believe.
    Dec 5, 2019 2
    • Microsoft £
      op should mean 75k stock per year over 5 years. total around 375k rsu.
      Dec 5, 2019
    • Microsoft iamletired
      On hire stock vests over 4 years. But if that's $75k per year for $300k total yeah, that's a decent offer. But the way it's worded makes it sou d lime it's $75k total.
      Dec 5, 2019
  • Microsoft £
    This is a typical real offer msft provided. OP try to negotiate
    Dec 5, 2019 0

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