Microsoft PM vs. Amazon TPM

Microsoft / Product
nTXn20

Go to company page Microsoft Product

PRE
Microsoft
nTXn20
Feb 19, 2020 29 Comments

hi all,

im a current Microsoft PM.

Title: PM2
YOE: 3.5
TC: 135 Base + 15K last cash bonus + 5K stock

all of my sign on stock is already vested

i got an offer from Amazon

Title: PM 2/L5
TC: 145 Base + 80 Cash (over two years) + 100K stock (over 4 years)

I was told that I’m interviewing for a team that has both L5 & L6 roles and was offered an L5.

1. Has anyone been able to negotiate their way into an L6 when the Offer was for a L5?

2. Is there any room to negotiate a higher salary for an L5?

3. Would you take the L5 at Amazon or stay at Microsoft as a PM 2?

#amazon #microsoft #programmanager #offer #negotiateoffer

197 PARTICIPANTS SELECT ONLY ONE ANSWER
VOTE VIEW RESULT

comments

Want to comment? LOG IN or SIGN UP
TOP 29 Comments
  • Amazon
    bigbro

    Go to company page Amazon

    bigbro
    Stay in MS. PMs in Amazon are different than in MS, and not really appreciated. You might win an immediate salary bump, but in the long term not a lot of growth and lower compensation than TPMs and Product Managers.
    Feb 23, 2020 4
    • Microsoft / Product
      nTXn20

      Go to company page Microsoft Product

      PRE
      Microsoft
      nTXn20
      OP
      This is a TPM role in AWS. But yea based on the compensation offered it feels like a lateral move right now. Is it possible to negotiate a higher level? How often do promos happen from an L5 to L6 at Amazon.
      Feb 23, 2020
    • Amazon
      mango man

      Go to company page Amazon

      mango man
      Don't listen to such idiots. PMs own the roadmap and have full business authority at Amazon. Poor pms can be everywhere just like thousands of shitty engineers who get pipped every 3rd day
      Apr 8, 2020
  • Amazon
    slyA78

    Go to company page Amazon

    slyA78
    Don’t come to Amazon
    Feb 19, 2020 2
    • New / Eng
      billinoon

      New Eng

      PRE
      Microsoft, Google, MongoDB, Facebook
      billinoon
      Why you say that? I'm interviewing rn
      Feb 19, 2020
    • Microsoft / Product
      nTXn20

      Go to company page Microsoft Product

      PRE
      Microsoft
      nTXn20
      OP
      Do you think it’s a weaker company for PMs or because the offer was too low.
      Feb 19, 2020
  • I saw same L5 TPM offer last year. You can ask more stocks and sign on bonus.I doubt they will do anything with base
    Mar 3, 2020 3
  • Amazon / Product
    ehensudie

    Go to company page Amazon Product

    ehensudie
    1. I don’t think you can change your level now. The hiring committee has decided.

    2. Yes. The max base is 160, try to get to that.

    Your 1st year TC is: 145 + 50(assuming 50/30 split) + 5% of 100 = 200.

    I’d say, counter with 160 + 110 + 70 RSU or something like that, which gets you to 160 + 65 + 0.05 * 140k = 232k

    3. Unless you get Tc growth, why stay. Move to AMZN or elsewhere. Amazon pays the lowest in FAANG FYI.

    4. L5 to L6 Promos aren’t the hardest, you can get it in a few years. L6 and beyond is super hard.
    Feb 25, 2020 3
    • Amazon / Product
      ehensudie

      Go to company page Amazon Product

      ehensudie
      Doesn’t hurt to ask. Let them adjust where they want to. 160 is global max anyways.

      Yeah, make sure it’s worth it to jump, else why do it ..
      Feb 25, 2020
    • Microsoft / Product
      nTXn20

      Go to company page Microsoft Product

      PRE
      Microsoft
      nTXn20
      OP
      Asked them and apparently it’s a no go. They asked for a TC to shoot for and I have them 230. Not a penny more than they’re currently offering lol.
      Mar 3, 2020
  • My L6 PM offer was similar but with TC just over 200k... as a new grad MBA with 0 Pm experience ;)
    Feb 19, 2020 3