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Amazon / Product ellefante
Dec 4, 2019 14 Comments

current L7 PMT-ES at Amazon. TC 400. Have offer from Msoft (the role is level 64) but TC is the same as AWS role. is it worth it to negotiate to 65? or go in as 64 since TC is the same and work on promotion? More realistic to go in as top of band at 64 and set up for success? thoughts?

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  • Microsoft .gruffalo.
    Should definitely negotiate for 65 if possible since that is a Principal band and moving from 64 to 65 is a major huddle.
    Dec 4, 2019 2
    • Amazon / Product ellefante
      OP
      Is it more advantageous to go in as top of 64 band and work up. Or in at 65. 65 may be much more demanding and difficult to succeed. Trying to figure out what the advantages are. If any?
      Dec 4, 2019
    • Google Krepton
      There is no such thing as “top of level X”. In order to be promoted to L65 you will need to consistently prove it and this takes a long time for ramping up, getting projects done and convincing management.
      Dec 4, 2019
  • Amazon
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    Do not accept anything lower than 65. The setup for success comes with a role that is set up at the right level to begin with.
    Dec 4, 2019 1
    • Microsoft / Eng dUKM75
      I agree I got underleveled at MS and it was a mistake. Now leaving to get the correct level +1, elsewhere.
      Dec 4, 2019
  • Microsoft / Product CloudSmith
    Which team in Azure? I know a couple of L6s that joined at L65
    Dec 4, 2019 1
    • Amazon / Product ellefante
      OP
      Not Azure. Hardware/Devices.
      Dec 4, 2019
  • Amazon GURo27
    Based on this, I thought amzn L7 PM mapped only to 65 and above at msft. From levels.fyi
    Dec 4, 2019 2
    • Amazon / Product ellefante
      OP
      Yeah. Doesn’t really map according to Levels. They framed it as going in at 64 is a setup for success, less demanding right away, and more ability to grow. The TC is the same though. So what benefit is going in at 65, other than title?
      Dec 4, 2019
    • Microsoft / Eng FoShoMago
      I came in as a dev at 64 under the same promise. Give me time to grow into the role, better chance of success, etc. it was BS. As soon as I was a part of the Corp everybody forgot or never knew about said arrangement. I was a 64 and that’s that. I got reorged and nobody here knows I’ve been doing 65 level work. They say “you haven’t been at that role for too long” when I ask about promotion.

      I would push for the principal band 65. People seem to respect title here a lot. Worst case you take 64 since as you said the TC is fine.
      Dec 4, 2019
  • Microsoft wiskavhq
    400k is high, but L64.
    Dec 4, 2019 2
    • Amazon / Product ellefante
      OP
      Worth negotiating 65?
      Dec 4, 2019
    • Microsoft wiskavhq
      Yes, looks like they really want to hire you. Not sure why L64 tho.
      Dec 4, 2019
  • LinkedIn / Eng bookstore
    400k @ lvl 64 is amazing! Usually it would be under 300k
    Dec 4, 2019 0

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