My girlfriend has an offer to work at Google...

New / Consultant JTOI43
Mar 30, 2019 76 Comments

She has had telephonic, video and on site interviews. Out of 8 employees she met only one was a woman. The woman was in product management.

Google claims that 20% of its tech employees are women.

Is that really true for Google engineering or RND?

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  • eBay ohjio06
    Does that bother her or bother you?!
    Mar 30, 2019 19
    • Facebook hte668
      Also, my God, them firing people because of demonstrable sexual harassment does not prove anything. If they didn't, they would be sued. This is the legally prudent thing to do - it's not some moral stand.
      Those guys were not entitled to severance. That's the optional thing that Google decided to do. Along with lying about why they were leaving.
      Given the option of having my employer sued, and all my dirty laundry being exposed, or getting fired + millions of dollars and being able to pretend it didn't happen, I think I'd also go for being fired. This was the best possible outcome for those guys, given what they'd done.
      They were given an amazing, undeserved gift by Google. What about this is controversial?
      Apr 8, 2019
    • Google ovBk62
      Yup, they protected the harassers. Not sure why - maybe to avoid washing their dirty laundry in public. I don't think it was the right thing to do.

      I was objecting to these actions being called "getting away with it" because an outsider who has not been following these events keenly, can misinterpret them as I pointed out above.

      Seems like we agree on other things, so we're cool :)
      Apr 8, 2019
  • Apple RcvW67
    No those numbers are overall considering every role in the company. The core technical roles are rarely given to women and if you go by that you will get less than 5% .
    Mar 30, 2019 4
    • New / Consultant JTOI43
      OP
      I think RCVW67 is right. Read the diversity report, https://diversity.google/annual-report/. They give GLOBAL figures for female employees,. and MISLEADINGLY juxtapose it with racial breakdown of American employees... Looks like they want to hide the low proportion of female employees in the US.
      Mar 30, 2019
    • Google ovBk62
      It says 21% of employees in tech are female. The number of TPM roles is very low compared to engineering, and there are plenty of men in TPM too. I'd say 17-18% of all engineers are women.

      I've been in teams with 40% women and teams with 5% women. It really depends on the team. If there are some women in the team, it's easier to attract more. If there are only men in the team, it's harder.
      Mar 30, 2019
  • OnDeck GPgj02
    Who cares? The market is the market. Just because a bunch of women want more women in tech doesn't mean it'll happen just because they wish it. If more women study CS and start working in tech, then you'll see a more balanced population of engineers. At the moment, most tech workers are guys, and that is who Google will hire.
    Mar 30, 2019 6
    • Bloomberg / Eng iVX372
      @OP where did you read that 29% of US CS bachelor's grads are female? I'm pretty sure that number is still around 20%. Remember that not every CS student becomes a CS grad.

      Moreover, how do you know that the percentage of women in technical roles across Google is only 5-10%? One team doesn't necessarily have the same percentage of technical women as the entire company.
      Mar 30, 2019
    • Google ovBk62
      There are more women in CS now than there were 10 or 15 years ago. It takes a while for them to make it into industry.
      Mar 30, 2019
  • She got hired at google and this is your concern...worry about meaningful stuff
    Mar 30, 2019 4
    • Amazon OTdS88
      Which place is she working now that's not male dominated? The whole industry is this way
      Mar 30, 2019
    • Facebook hte668
      Huhf13 are you a woman at Google? To be making these claims? Despite the recent walk outs etc?
      Apr 7, 2019
  • I've been on eng teams at Google that have 30-40% females and on teams that have 0-5% so it depends. I believe average at a larger org is between 10-25%. I'm happy to help her navigate teams in team matching if needed
    Mar 30, 2019 1
    • Google sDcR36
      Yes, it really depends on the team. Don't let that discourage her, there are some teams that are much more gender balanced than others. Take this person up on their offer.
      Mar 30, 2019
  • ‘the woman was in product’

    hahah does that mean product is not a tech role because it does not involve black screens and sandals with white socks?
    Mar 30, 2019 1
    • Facebook vggy677
      A pm is not an engineer, no.
      Apr 6, 2019
  • Amazon / PR jefe_bezos
    I mean... she’s a woman in tech and unfortunately that means equality numbers are not going to be in her favor. The best bet is finding a team with an acceptable balance within any company.
    Mar 30, 2019 2
    • New / Consultant JTOI43
      OP
      We want to know what percentage of the team in RND is female.... Sounds like the percentage is below 5%
      Mar 30, 2019
    • Amazon xNSH82
      Why is this so impodtant to you?
      Mar 30, 2019
  • Facebook / Eng PureWin
    Tech roles include product management and many others besides engineering.

    Anyway, I would advise accepting or declining the role based on her interest in the company, it’s projects, and how it will advance her own career. We already know the numbers for women in tech are overall shitty, so there’s no point to dwelling on it.
    Mar 30, 2019 4
    • Google ovBk62
      Stop cooking up numbers OP lol. It is way higher than 5%. Go look into the reports Google publishes.
      Mar 30, 2019
    • Facebook / Eng PureWin
      I don’t know Google’s specific numbers, but there has been overall great progress in the last 5 years.

      Once again, if being in a male dominated field is a deal breaker for her, then she won’t be comfortable anywhere in Tech.
      Mar 30, 2019
  • Microsoft Tiffany&co
    yea stop hiring men until gender equality is achieved. Also consider trans and non binary representation
    Mar 30, 2019 2
    • Microsoft
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      I heard they were toying with the idea of opening up to non-human candidates. Personally, I’m waiting until they open up to the idea of installing heli-pads on the rooftops which is the safe space we require to work.
      Mar 30, 2019
    • Amazon xNSH82
      Haha
      Mar 30, 2019
  • Google PageRanker
    Congrats to your GF.
    Like in any other company, most women at Google are in non-SWE roles. Management, QA, UX, Marketing.
    They inflate the numbers in the reports. E.g. of the four female SWEs on my team two are guys and one is a diversity hire.
    Mar 30, 2019 10
    • Google PageRanker
      I don’t want to say anything bad about these programs and my sample size is trivially small, but in my sample it is obvious the person would not stand a chance in the regular HC. She is a nice young lady so maybe it is fine as far as this topic is concerned.
      Mar 31, 2019
    • Facebook / Eng PureWin
      Is she able to perform the job? Yes? Then whether or not she could get hired by the HC is irrelevant. Perhaps that’s feedback on the effectiveness of the HC rather than her capabilities.

      If she’s ineffective in her role, then presumably she’ll get managed out of the company and that particular hiring pipeline will be re-evaluated.

      Either way, singling out this person is no different than seeing a former intern underperform and labeling them as a “internship hire”. The categorization is largely unnecessary.
      Mar 31, 2019

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