Need advice to progress from a stagnating career

Aug 23, 2019 165 Comments

Stuck with a developer role for the past 8 years. I'm in my current company for 5.5 years. My biggest mistake was probably not quitting this shit station early on and instead succumbing to workplace politics.

Most of my mates/ex-colleagues are now Principals, Sr. Managers or Directors. I have a strong interest towards a leadership role but the offers that I get from outside are only for a dev/sr dev role.

If I stay here I wouldn't see myself grow into a manager for at least another 2.5 years. How do I get out of this coder role and progress towards what I want to do in my life.

TC: €100k
Age: 31

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  • Facebook / Eng
    Gkurhhd

    Facebook Eng

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    Microsoft
    Gkurhhdmore
    No one will hire engineer without management experience into management role and promises from future employer about future progression, etc are mostly useless.

    Your only options for fast move to management are
    a) staying in current company, push for move into mavagement, stay 2-3 years in management role and then you may be able to move to different company as manager
    b) move as dev to fast growing company (>40% yoy growth) and convert there as growth creates opportunities
    Aug 23, 2019 4
    • Fitbit lba575
      This is actually not true. Had a colleague nice to another company for the only reason they were willing to put him into a management track while current company was resisting
      Aug 23, 2019
    • Splunk / Eng ImaRainbow
      Splunk has grown 40% each year since it started 15 years ago. A handful of colleagues have made the jump from dev to mgmt track (though in SF Bay Area, mgmt is not more lucrative until you get above Director/M6 level). It’s not fast, not assured even in a fast-growing place. Once you get an HR department in place with enough clout to define roles and career tracks, it’s too late. That happened to Splunk at about the 3000 employee mark.

      Look for smaller companies but not necessarily so small that everything is chaos.
      Aug 23, 2019
  • Zendesk / Eng greatfella
    Following this, I’m in a similar situation myself.
    Aug 23, 2019 28
    • Tableau fragmented
      I did, I do. Sometimes it really is the people. And if there's a clash? I learned the hard way and hit a considerable low point a few years back. I have personal experience with it. And now I have personal experience of coming out on the other side. Life is not fair and wasn't to me (although I do know how live in a first world country so that statement is relative). And I had to make changes as a result.
      Aug 28, 2019
    • Chase / Eng Sha_
      For an immigrant the first generation has a hard time learning. Next generation learns more... First generation also have to deal with their previous gen which at an old age for majority won't be able to learn much. Hence first gen takes a step back to create a balance .
      Aug 29, 2019
  • New / Eng qwerty41+1
    You get out one step at a time. Go to interviews and ask how the future looks like in the position or what are the possibilities to grow.

    Be clear and be focused.
    Aug 23, 2019 0
  • Microsoft mSPq73
    I don't get it. Devs and managers make the same amount of money at the same level. If you are good at being a dev, why would you want to move to management? For the extra stress?
    Aug 23, 2019 18
  • Amazon crushcandy
    I hired a career coach. Trust me it’s not about changing jobs. You’ll be right back at shit station before you know it. Stagnation isn’t about the job alone, its your actual fit, meaning values and passions that need exploration and clarity. Once you know more about those internal drivers, the right work/job starts to come into focus.
    Aug 23, 2019 7
    • Riot Games / Manufacturing EoH49
      Wow that sounds like a great investment!
      Aug 24, 2019
    • Accenture shortsell
      I don't have a "special talent" for management/leadership just been going out of my way to set intentions, build habits and routines, and putting my superiors on notice that I have ambitions on getting to the next level so if I'm not doing what I need to be doing to get there then they need to tell me.
      Aug 24, 2019
  • Microsoft / Product
    Brazuka

    Microsoft Product

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    Bain & Company
    Brazukamore
    Majority of 31yo are not principals nor managers.
    Aug 23, 2019 2
    • This
      Aug 23, 2019
    • Swallow your pride. You were nothing great. Just a stackoverflow tester
      Aug 23, 2019
  • LinkedIn bliz
    Just know when the next recession hits, looks like pretty soon with all the geo-political shit, the mid management ppl will be the ones to get axed first..

    Becoming manager is not career growth!! It is just moving to a different game.
    Aug 23, 2019 6
    • Amazon Shetty
      It’s not that manager get axed first, there will be an entire sub-group that get axed. The problem is it is much harder to find an opportunity as manager then as a dev. And this is true even when economy is doing good.
      Aug 24, 2019
    • Facebook / Eng
      dividebyz

      Facebook Eng

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      Facebook
      dividebyzmore
      Recruiters, program managers and non technical managers are usually the first to get axed. I've been part of lay off discussions. When shit hits the fan, everyone realizes what the real dead weight is.
      Aug 25, 2019
  • Yelp
    real_dick

    Yelp

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    Google
    real_dickmore
    Too low TC for that age. You must be really bad
    Aug 23, 2019 3
    • Username lines up
      Aug 23, 2019
    • Microsoft / Product
      WishIWasXB

      Microsoft Product

      BIO
      High performing PM. Really wish I could find a good PM position in XBOX. PLEASE pm me with any decent positions in XBOX or VR.
      WishIWasXBmore
      Dude is in UK as well, so he's at $120k really. This jump to an assumption makes you sound really bad. ;)
      Aug 24, 2019
  • Oracle qawsedcxz
    To get into management you need 2 things. 1. You inherently have good management skills and can prove it. 2 is getting the opportunities to step into that role. I have known and groomed a number of people who are good at first part but #2 is very tough and is based on luck.
    And if it really takes 2.5 yrs for you to become a manager at current firm, i would say the probability is less than 25%. 2.5 years is long time and you could very well explore opportunities outside so that you get a chance at showing your leadership skills and climb up the ladder.
    Aug 23, 2019 4
    • Facebook / Eng
      dividebyz

      Facebook Eng

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      dividebyzmore
      I aspire to to be bad manager. This post convinced me that I have the skills.
      Aug 24, 2019
    • Chase / Eng Sha_
      I agree with newrelic
      Aug 24, 2019
  • Cognizant / Other randommmmm
    Management is a clerical job where you get paid for being blamed for other people's screw ups, to make other people work, and for lying your butt off to sell your team's " automation" or " innovation". Mgmt and esp people mgmt is not for everyone, and nowhere do mgrs these days get paid better than coders. Choose wisely.
    Aug 23, 2019 0

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