This is a thread not to support or oppose the bills, but to invite points to be made in good faith from both sides. Those who will personally benefit or lose from the bills are requested to disclose their personal impact and make logical arguments on either side. OPs disclosure: I am an Indian citizen but I will be unaffected by the bill due to cross-chargeability rules allowing me to apply under a different country limit, and because I already have my I-140. My own views: Points in favor of the bill: - Treating people differently based on their country of origin is discriminatory, and a person cannot be held accountable for actions of other individuals from their nation. That is fundamentally un-american. The bill would eliminate that. Points against the bill: - Humans have a tendency towards in-group bias, i.e. treat people from their own background better, in terms of interviews and referrals. Some form of a country cap would mitigate this bias by ensuring that lesser represented backgrounds have a more favorable process. Suggested compromise: Have a country specific cap weighted by population during the H1B visa allocation. This will ensure that all immigrants have the same wait time for a green card, and will still ensure diversity.
Remove all the caps. Amnesty for the undocumented. Open the borders: you pass a basic background check -> you’re in. You live, work, and pay taxes here for 5 years or so -> here’s your green card.
I think that is the inevitable future (since it is the optimum policy for economic production), but I doubt such a bill can pass for the next few years, at the very least.
US would become Middle East.
It’s DOA. They’ll never learn and posting it is only alienating everyone
Isn’t the huge backlog of Indians making EB GC granted to only Indians in an entire decade the biggest blocker here?
Do you think the “phase in” period of the bill is insufficient to process the backlog while still processing applicants of other nations? If so, how much of a phase-in period do you estimate is required?
3 years phase in row gets like 15%, then next 7 ish years all goes to indians.
If the cap is weighted by population, it won’t have diversity.
What is a perfectly diverse group of 1Mn people?
One where everyone who wants gets in and has a path to citizenship.
It seems you were spawned at a time when humanity is a few evolutionary generations ahead of you. Hey, at least you can empathize with the average ape from six million years ago, heh.
Don’t have much else to say to whom started the whole thing as the bill is against discrimination. lol, no one discriminates you Indians. Just stop playing victims from now, ok? Work with the administration to solve the ICC problem and truly embrace the merit based immigration reform. Otherwise, just shut up and wait
Bill is dead, let’s move on.
Those indian consulting companies, indians, abused the system and created this massive backlog from which all indians including high skilled ones suffer. Is this statement not correct?
The backlog would exist regardless of them, because of the huge population of India, and the huge population of Indians who choose to emigrate.
Chinese population is even bigger, but their backlog is significantly smaller. So population itself is not the most important thing.
Fixed number of green cards can not satisfy greater demand. Some people have to be “discriminated” as you call it. US can only choose who and how but they can not choose not to discriminate. And since India produces most applications, no matter what “fair” criteria is chosen most rejects will always be Indian. You just have to deal with that. There is no point discussing further with a person who is still dreaming of possibility for every applicant eventually receiving their green card.
There is no fundamental reason why there has to be a limited, much less fixed, number of green cards.
There is no fundamental reason why the United States should limit the number of people moving to the country permanently - is that what you’re saying yelp?
A root cause of this whole h1b and gc queue flooding is that too many people from india want to move to the US. how come so many indians want to leave their country? and why US specifically? US is a stressful country to work in. staying in a US company requires, not only tech skills, but plus political and survival skills. Also, isn't it happier to stay at the home country to be with friends and family?
Each person chooses their own nation, I can hardly answer for all Indians. For me, personally, the US is my home now. I met my wife here, and I have new friends here. I have never found life stressful here. I guess many other Indians feel the same way, and intend to stay, however long it takes them to get a green card.
But you didn't answer the question. You realised you want US to be your home after you moved to the US. I'm not asking for why people want to stay. What I'm asking for is why and what makes Indian folks want to leave their country in the first place and why move to the US specifically?
Isn’t it blocked? Why are we still talking about it? I thought it was dead.
Nope
Huh? Can you explain?