New Grad Offer Evaluation

Nov 27, 2019 15 Comments

One from Microsoft and the other from Google. TC is about the same (3% better at Google). Given the same location, please evaluate these offers.

Microsoft AI L61: team builds AI related product, is in early stage, very prospective, and is growing rapidly. I will be working to build a pipeline for bringing in training data (not quite ML, though the product is)

Google L3: team matching will not begin until I accept, better perks(?), free food, slightly better TC

Note the level differences with almost no TC difference. Given that I have limited skillset that would set me to somewhere between level1 and level2 engineer, how would you evaluate these offers?

All the things, I’m currently considering:
promotion aspect (head start in Microsoft?)
career growth
TC growth (after job hop/promotion) - most important
product area (Microsoft wins for sure)

I’m thinking when I get promoted to L4 from Google, I can probably get paid better than from Microsoft, but careerwise I can reach senior level faster from Microsoft then jump to other company. What do you think? Is downleveling for TC good idea?

TC: 185k for MS, 190k for Google

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TOP 15 Comments
  • Google iuyre
    If you care about TC most, G will be better. G’s stock refresh target for L3 is ~50k, which is more than L66 in MS. You should reach L4 in 2-3 years which will get even more stock.

    For team/area, it’s hard to say given you did not match team with G yet. G’s LA office is not very big, maybe less choices for you I guess.
    Nov 27, 2019 3
    • Samsung ToxicEng
      OP
      Basically, how does that compare with starting from Google, get promotion, then moving?
      Nov 27, 2019
    • Google iuyre
      The TC increases in MSFT is not too fast unless you’re super star which can promote every year and go beyond L65. MS level is inflated a lot. L63 are mostly L4 in F/G. L64 can be L4/5.
      Nov 27, 2019
  • Amazon boneprone
    How are you getting l61? Do you have a masters? Prior experience?
    Nov 27, 2019 3
    • Samsung ToxicEng
      OP
      MS in Sea. Google in LA (LA by my choice). Also, I have almost 2 yrs of internship experience throughout my bachelor’s and master’s(as you guessed)
      Nov 27, 2019
    • New / Biz Dev
      wow;

      New Biz Dev

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      United Airlines
      wow;more
      LA is cheaper than Seattle depending on where you are. BUT also keep in mind California has state income tax, which WILL decrease your take home pay by probably more than 3%.
      Nov 28, 2019
  • Amazon Spartucus
    Both are good offers. I would also consider where you want to live and where your friends/family are. It can get lonely moving to a new city
    Nov 27, 2019 1
    • Samsung ToxicEng
      OP
      Which is why I am very ambivalent. If one was just shitty overall, I would have made an easier choice. I’m not really location sensitive as well.
      Nov 27, 2019
  • New / Biz Dev
    wow;

    New Biz Dev

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    United Airlines
    wow;more
    Keeping in mind state income tax, potential for promotions, and enthusiasm for product, I say Microsoft wins. Good luck!
    Nov 28, 2019 3
    • New / Biz Dev
      wow;

      New Biz Dev

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      United Airlines
      wow;more
      Then isn't the total take-home pay lower? You're talking 15k more in taxes/less in take-home in California. That does not even out (according to online calculators.)
      Nov 28, 2019
    • Samsung ToxicEng
      OP
      It would be. Afaik, Google only matches for cost of living but not state taxes. Lmk if that is wrong.
      On the other hand, I’m wondering if other companies generally do pay better in California(outside of bay). Does anyone know?
      Nov 28, 2019
  • New / Eng beachhhhhh
    I know the team you would be at MS, feel free to DM
    Nov 27, 2019 0

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