Was offered a position at the minimum I gave them, contingent on the cost of benefits, and after doing a cost analysis, their coverage was similar but would cost me about ~$5k out of pocket more, so the recruiter suggested I counter and it shouldn't be an issue. Well, yesterday they called me and told me they decided not to move forward because they thought I wasn't being candid and was being greedy by asking for more money. They saw it as a red flag that I was trying to negotiate, when I knew the bump I asked for was well within the range of the position. I was completely up front from the start about my salary requirements based on benefits and for them to then come back at me with that response felt like a slap in the face. My counter was purely based on practical cost to me and my family but for some reason they took it personally, even though I gave them a completely breakdown of what I pay now. Am I crazy in thinking that they're in the wrong and not me?? TC: ~$105k
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You dodged a bullet...
Exactly this. Let them continue searching for someone they can low-ball, but there's nothing wrong with knowing the value of your skills in the industry.
Yep. Can you imagine the yearly raises or stock refreshes at such a place? Even more generally, I would not work for a place that immediately shuts you down on any discussion or conflict resolution.
Which company was this?
It was a smaller company. I think if I were to post the name it'd identify me if any of their employees are on here.
You’re not going there anymore anyways. Name and shame so others can avoid them.
If I company can’t handle small(er) negotiations, especially ones rooted in logic like yours, they’re not worth your time and you indeed dodged a bullet.
Yeah, I just thought it was crazy because in the grand scheme of things, I was only asking for about 4% more in salary. I liked the company and the work, it just didn't make sense to make a move if I had to pay a large part of the raise I'd receive back into benefits...
If you liked the company and work then why leave only for 4%. Isn't this being greedy then? Again what they did is not right but I would not leave an offer if is only 4% difference?
What company?
It was a smaller company. I think if I were to post the name it'd identify me if any of their employees are on here.
And so what?
You doged a bullet
They sound incredibly immature and unprofessional.
Yes they seem unreasonable, but my only thought is either dont give salary requirement contingent on an unknown next time or if you must, pad your requirement for a worst case scenario of that contingency. If a couple thousand bucks makes a difference to them, you probably want to avoid them anyway.
You could be right, though I gave them a $10k range contingent on benefits, which was right in the middle of the range for the position. They gave me the minimum of that range and then thought I was being greedy when I asked for more after I provided a complete breakdown of extra cost to me. I would have worded it differently if my recruiter thought it would be an issue, but he'd placed several other people at the company and didn't think they'd have a problem coming up for me. There were still other questions I'd asked that no one had yet to answer on other aspects of pay and benefits, but in the interest of moving along, I overlooked those since it seemed like a done deal from my interactions with them and the recruiter. Just frustrating because I feel like the recruiter had to've presented what I wanted offensively or something. I don't see how my ask would've warranted a rescinded offer, if nothing else I expected them to just say they couldn't go higher than their initial offer. Honestly, I'm kinda just tired if dealing with 3rd party recruiters at this point. I've worked with them in the last 3 offers I've received and all they've ever done is screwed me in the end 😡
You were going through a third party recruiter for the final negotiation? That seems irregular... I've been introduced to several jobs through recruiters but never allowed them to do my negotiating for me.
You probably would’ve been laid off if you asked a raise
Yeah their initial reaction was that they offer a bonus and give yearly raises. That's great, but I don't want to rely on a bonus and raise as guaranteed income (especially on the raise side where I wouldn't see anything out of that for a year). Unfortunate, because they had some of the best reviews I'd ever seen on Glassdoor, but I've never dealt with an HR department that was so machine-like than this company. I'm thinking I dodged a bullet at this point just based on my interactions with that department.
Most Glassdoor reviews are fake or forced these days.
OP, they don’t deserve you! Workout your path to generous companies who would pay at the least fair wages. It is not a crime to negotiate within range. If your salary info is not publicly available, I really do not waste time applying. Best wishes in your future gig!
Thanks. Honestly I'm just thinking I need to stop dealing with small companies all together. I enjoy being on smaller teams where I feel like I can make a bigger difference, but I'm tired of dealing with 3rd party recruiters and petty BS like this. Right before this, I interviewed for a remote position for a company out of Silicon Valley and sent back their coding challenge and I was rejected because I did one for loop instead of two maps. They didn't like that my code wasn't as pretty, even though my time complexity was far lower 🤣
They gave you that specific of feedback?
I'll let someone else give some more detailed feedback since I'm pretty new to the industry but what a load of bullshit.
Agreed, I’m new as well so can’t provide advice but just seems like since Corona virus companies are paying new hires the absolute lowest possible salary and benefits
Companies always have and always will pay the lowest they can get away with. What you're seeing is a combination of more people being willing to accept less, and more supply opening up due to remote work.