Offer evaluation : Amazon vs Microsoft

Jul 16, 2019 64 Comments

YOE : 8 years
Current TC : 180k
Location: Seattle.

Not going to share team details to maintain anonymity
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Amazon offer
Org : AWS
Level L5
Base : 145K
1st year bonus 100k + 2nd year bonus 75k
Stocks 125 over 4 years. Vesting 5% 1st year, 15% 2nd year, 40% 3rd, 40% 4th.

TC : ~255k
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Microsoft offer
Org : Not Azure. :)
Level 63
Base: 180k
Sign on : 35k cash over 2 years.
Sign on stock : 260k over 4 years.

TC : 260k based on above number.
MS said they have additional cash bonus that goes as high as 30% but I am assuming realistically it would be around 10-12%. They also have annual stock grant which can go as high as 40k, not sure what should be realistic assumption on this.

So MS is saying TC should be 280k.

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Questions:
- How realistic is the assumption from MS recruiter that my TC would 280 after considering annual cash bonus and stock bonus.
- If above is true, will amazon match MS offer? If yes, I am inclined towards Amazon more as I liked team and work I would do in that team. If yes, Amazon will mostly add more cash bonus or stock?
- Which company is better to join if I want to move up the ladder faster.

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TOP 64 Comments
  • Facebook / Eng
    dist

    Facebook Eng

    PRE
    Microsoft, Qualcomm
    distmore
    Microsoft you'll work 35-45 hours a week depending on how much you like working.

    Amazon you'll work 70-80 hours a week.

    MS vest is 25% per year. Amzn vest is shite.

    I think its a pretty easy choice lol.
    Jul 16, 2019 8
    • Amazon lzxf18
      It's upto OP what his priorities are lol, these are just ours
      Jul 16, 2019
    • Microsoft ……
      microsoft for sure
      Jul 16, 2019
  • Amazon / Eng mOwGLee
    Thats a really good offer for 63. And a good 63 can even get through an L6 loop at Amazon. I would suggest taking up the MSFT offer, they treat their employees much better and you can always switch teams in the future.
    Jul 16, 2019 2
    • Samsung amznmsft
      OP
      Thank you for your input.
      Jul 16, 2019
    • Amazon 🍉@
      I agree ☝️ man 👨!! Having worked at both places - Toxic culture in Amazon is not worth all the $ in the world. You don’t even want to know the backstabbing managers once they have to meet URA targets.
      Jul 16, 2019
  • Amazon / Product
    Begger

    Amazon Product

    PRE
    Datto, Inc.
    Beggermore
    if you want to retire join microsoft but if you want to learn then Amazon..your next job depends on your resume not on how you manage to work 30-40hours vs 40+..also based on market share, i would always join the market leader to be on innovative side than competitive parity side!
    Jul 16, 2019 12
    • Amazon saywha
      Cause when you join you will realize that kids with 2 yoe are also L5. Granted it is a wide band but the leveling is a low ball.
      Jul 17, 2019
    • Amazon saywha
      Also think of this as how they are valuing you out of the gate.
      Jul 17, 2019
  • Google goraptors
    Yes thinks MSFT offer is better especially if azure is taking over the world
    Jul 16, 2019 3
    • Amazon saywha
      Have you considered that MS benefits are actually 25-30k more than amazon?
      Jul 16, 2019
    • Samsung amznmsft
      OP
      I am considering that as well. Thanks.
      Jul 16, 2019
  • Apple / Eng
    hashset

    Apple Eng

    PRE
    Amazon
    hashsetmore
    With this YOE you should get L6 in Amazon. You got down leveled. However that’s a pretty good L5 offer.
    But I really hate how Amazon give refreshers so I like Microsoft more.
    Jul 16, 2019 3
    • Apple / Eng
      hashset

      Apple Eng

      PRE
      Amazon
      hashsetmore
      From my experience. L5 to L6 promo is not easy even you’re external hire with “promised” fast track promotion. 2 years will be fast but 3 to 4 yrs is more reasonable timeline - if Amazon did not wear you out by the time.
      Jul 16, 2019
    • Samsung amznmsft
      OP
      Thank you, I will consider this.
      Jul 16, 2019
  • Microsoft oh snap!
    Microsoft L63 is senior whereas Amazon L5 is SDE2. Microsoft’s benefits and WLB are a lot better. I’m no longer at Microsoft but in my mind it’s not even a question. Go with Microsoft.
    Jul 16, 2019 3
    • Microsoft HudiBaba!
      Based on the user name, Snap?
      Jul 16, 2019
    • Microsoft oh snap!
      No, I’m actually at FB.
      Jul 16, 2019
  • Microsoft minx
    Microsoft, any day.
    Jul 16, 2019 1
    • Samsung amznmsft
      OP
      care to elaborate? Also, realistically how easy it is to switch teams?
      Jul 16, 2019
  • Qualtrics JH73057
    That amazon L5 you could argue is a little low for 8 yoe. 63 for MS seems doable. The comparisons aren’t always 1:1
    Jul 16, 2019 1
    • Samsung amznmsft
      OP
      Yes, I interviewed for L6, but looks like they wanted me to come in as L5 and then get considered for L6 and I felt that is reasonable.
      Jul 16, 2019
  • Microsoft P Zezima
    Microsoft, easy. And 15% is the target bonus (Median? Average?), so 20k bonus a year is reasonable.
    Jul 16, 2019 7
    • Samsung amznmsft
      OP
      But you will get it every year, so 4th year it will be lot more?
      Jul 16, 2019
    • Microsoft P Zezima
      Yes, they vest quarterly (so the entire amount vests over 20 quarters). And yes, they stack every year, so after the 5th year you would be vesting 35k every year. But note that if the stock range is 0-35k, then the median employee will get 17.5k.
      Jul 17, 2019
  • Capital One / Eng codezilla1
    You can get higher sign on from microsoft
    Jul 16, 2019 2
    • Samsung amznmsft
      OP
      Okey. I am inclined towards Amazon but looks like I do not have any room for negotiation.
      Jul 16, 2019
    • Amazon saywha
      Why?
      Jul 16, 2019

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