PLEASE help me make decision! Amazon?!

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nice2020

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nice2020
Apr 18, 2020 28 Comments

Dear community of Blind, please help me make a decision I am completely stuck.

I have been on the same team in Amazon for 2 years now as SDE2 in Alexa org. Previously I really liked my manager, he was amazing and overall good. I also really enjoy the work on the team and the people. However, recently that manager left and a new manager joined, and he is absolutely horrible. I have never seen a manager who is so controlling and micro managing as himself. I cannot trust him whatsoever and I feel he is ready to backstab anyone if needed. Words cannot explain how terrible he is. Now, everyday I dread working with him as he schedules multiple meetings a day to micromanage everyone’s work. It has been absolute hell, multiple people mentioned to me that they are planning to leave the team.

However, the skip manager is aware of my performance and gave me TT rating in this review cycle after the old manager left. He has also asked this new manager to put me for SDE3 promo. The new manager and I chatted and he mentioned he will aim for the promo for early next year.

I know for a fact that I can’t trust this new manager so I don’t know if this promo will actually happen. So far he is pushing me to almost 60 hour work weeks as a “pre-req” for promo in his words.

Recently, I decided to interview at Microsoft to see what happens and was able to get an offer in Office org. TC offered after negotiation: 195K, L62. however, the work doesn’t seem too interesting.

My current TC at Amazon is 240K, L5 with TT rating (but who knows what will happen to my rating next year with this new manager...)

I am not sure how L62 compares with L5 and if the drop in TC is worth it. I am also thinking if I should move internally to AWS as a lot of the work in that area interests me, but this risks a complete promo reset. Overall, TC matters a lot me as well as having ok WLB, I just want to get away from this manager he is giving me nightmares...

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  • New
    fubar2020

    New

    fubar2020
    New managers need time to acclimate to the group culture.

    Quitting now shows to future companies that you can't handle change. As a HM, I would wonder why you were paid so much at that level and was willing to take such a massive pay cut and were so desperate to leave. Massive red flag here not for MSFT but for future opportunities.

    Desperate times call for desperate measures, but if your boss is truly that incompetent, he will leave and maybe you can get his job.

    Win-win.
    Apr 18, 2020 12
    • Amazon
      l33tl33t

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      l33tl33t
      No ones blaming you man. I agree, some companies do have deeper background and ref checks than other. But the vast majority especially in FANG don't really cross reference anything akin to the hypothetical situation you just outlined. It's ridiculous that you're generalizing all companies as delving this deep into a candidate's past. Most companies dont care that much.
      Apr 18, 2020
    • Capital One / Eng
      celeryboy2

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      celeryboy2
      "new managers need time to acclimate to the group culture" wtf are you going on about lol this isn't a culture-shock thing, it's an awful manager thing. Chances are this new manager would never "acclimate" to a normal culture, and waiting for him to leave takes too long.
      Apr 18, 2020
  • New
    fubar2020

    New

    fubar2020
    Give your manager a break. He is your boss. It takes two minutes to solve this on your end and if It's a Saturday, so what? At your pay grade, they expect you to get things done at any time.

    Crying about something this minor doesn't make sense to me.
    Apr 18, 2020 4
    • New
      fubar2020

      New

      fubar2020
      @presci I wouldn't even hire you to start with so what's the point?
      Apr 18, 2020
    • New
      fubar2020

      New

      fubar2020
      @amazon nope. Tired of entitled people on here crying that their bosses ask them to work for their paycheck.

      I don't expect you to be on 24/7 but crying that your brand new boss asked me to send an email saying "check your email from Wednesday" on a Saturday if he was new snacks of entitlement from the OP..

      At over $200k a year it boggles my mind that something this small pisses the OP off to no end. I have friends at AWS and they deal with much worse than that every day. Do they complain? Nope. They switch groups.

      Enough already and put on your big boy pants!
      Apr 18, 2020
  • AT&T
    johnny_boy

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    johnny_boy
    Is your new manager Indian?
    Apr 18, 2020 2
  • Uber
    onyxb

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    onyxb
    MSFT L62 is a lowball offer. For context 2 years as SDE3 at Amzn and I was offered L65 by MSFT. Work towards L6 at Amazon and then jump ship.
    Apr 18, 2020 0
  • What does the TT rating stand for?
    Apr 18, 2020 1