Please help me evaluate Apple offer

Jul 18, 2019 67 Comments

I got an offer from Apple today. The position is Technical Product Manager.

175k Base + 160k stocks over 4 years + 35k sign on bonus.

Year 1 TC: 250k

Would my TC decrease starting year 2? What is the performance bonus at Apple like? Also do you get refreshers every year or only after 4 years?

Does it mean that starting year 2, my TC will become 215k (175k base + 40k stocks)?

My competing offer is from Amazon paying 265k with an average of 250k over 4 years. Role at Amazon is L5 SDE2 in Bay Area

What is the future of TPM at Apple or other compnies?

Please help me evaluate Apple offer.

Current TC: 160k
YoE: 2.5

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  • Apple wa95014
    You shouldn’t take the Apple offer.

    Based on all of your posts it seems like you’ll probably need a lot of guidance and hand-holding, and that’s not really what Apple is about.
    Jul 21, 2019 3
    • Apple wa95014
      Did you read through this thread?

      OP repeats themself about 8 times and then asks others to basically make career decisions for them...
      Jul 22, 2019
    • OP only wants as much as input that people are willing to give him. Posting these on Blind doesn’t cost him/her a penny.
      Jul 22, 2019
  • Congrats. This is a great offer given it’s from Apple. Usually we don’t care to compete other offers.
    Jul 18, 2019 10
    • Oracle / R&D TLead
      OP
      Thank you. Right now I still like Development. But 5 years from now I would like to be managing teams, working for ideas on new features and leading teams.

      Also can you comment on refreshers?

      I happened to work on entrepreneurship and product management at school. Got CS degrees from 2 of the top 6 schools in US. Have competing offer from Amazon and potential offer from Facebook.

      I am asking about refreshers because Amazon’s pay on an average for 4 years is 250k. Do you think Apple’s offer may exceed that including refreshers?
      Jul 18, 2019
    • Oracle / R&D TLead
      OP
      @realTimCok how is the future of TPM at Apple? Could you please advice? If I take Apple and work hard, do you think I could succeed at Apple?

      I’m genuinely confused between the two offers and I need H-1B. I am more worried about that. I also want to go for MBA in future. Please advice.
      Jul 21, 2019
  • Apple majong
    Are you sure the recruiter isn’t trolling you? We don’t pay this much to someone with a 2.5 yoe
    Jul 18, 2019 1
    • Oracle / R&D TLead
      OP
      I am sure the recruiter isn’t trolling. I have competing offers from Amazon, FB.

      Also how are refreshers? Will my TC be just 215k after first year? This is AMP Org.

      How is Technical Product Manager position? It is a transition for me from SDE to PM
      Jul 18, 2019
  • Apple wa95014
    OP.

    There are plenty of threads about how refreshers at Apple work that a simple search and some reading will yield you.

    Also, if you’re concerned about Amazon PIP culture, because you’re on OPT, then the money shouldn’t be the primary area of concern. The job security should.

    Do a search.
    Jul 21, 2019 4
    • Oracle / R&D TLead
      OP
      I would. Also could you provide insights on future for TPM? Is it a good idea? Because I am transitioning from SDE to TPM. I know the career line for SDE but I am confused about career trajectory for TPM. I do want to go get MBA in future from top 3.
      Jul 21, 2019
    • Oracle / R&D TLead
      OP
      Like you said, how is job security at Apple? For TPM.
      Jul 21, 2019
  • Extremely high offer for YOE. Must be extremely high expectations too. Good luck!
    Jul 18, 2019 11
    • Apple foglzkx
      And never ever trust the recruiter..talk to the hiring manager..
      Jul 19, 2019
    • Oracle / R&D TLead
      OP
      Good point. I will talk to the hiring manager to get insights on the responsibilities. The recruiter just tried to sell the role which I am able to understand. But I am evaluating this offer with my other competing offers.
      Jul 19, 2019
  • Twitch d mifflin
    Is this ict4?
    Jul 18, 2019 11
    • Twitch d mifflin
      Yeah Amazon recruiters are notorious for not giving time and exploding offers. Don’t let that deter you from pulling out if you need to.
      Jul 21, 2019
    • Oracle / R&D TLead
      OP
      What would you suggest between Alexa Shopping team in East Palo Alto and Apple AMP org TPM position? I could take TPM but I am worried about H-1B. I have two more tries and I need H-1B
      Jul 21, 2019
  • Why don’t you talk to people actually in this position instead of posting here?
    Jul 21, 2019 8
    • Oracle / R&D TLead
      OP
      Thank you. That shows that there is future for TPMs at Apple. Plus I do not want to jump companies often. If I take this move to Apple then I see myself at Apple for good amount of time. At least for the next 4 years.

      On a side note, I see a lot of posts on blind about PIP culture at Amazon. Is Apple like that too? Or would Apple value employees if they work and contribute?
      Jul 21, 2019
    • Apple doesn’t have a culture of PIP. It is quite uncommon to hear someone been fired or even PIPed.
      Jul 21, 2019
  • Apple foglzkx
    Apple lied to the tpm in my group about the responsibilities. All she does now is sending follow-up emails and setting up meetings..and she's being treated like a piece of shit by my manager and the people in the group. She'll be going around and begging the engineers even to compose a simple email. From the years of exp you have I'm pretty sure you're gonna be treated in a similar way..the person I'm talking abt has 15+ yrs of experience and she herself is unable to figure out how to deal with my manager and his best friends in the group that are literally abusing her by not sharing enough information she needs..

    She's a really bright person that came from one of the renowned product companies where she was performing product manager duties..

    Apple is a very toxic company to work..you'll be in the dream world thinking you're gonna work for apple. Think wise and make your decision..
    Jul 19, 2019 1
    • Oracle / R&D TLead
      OP
      May I ask which org it is? Also my other competing offer is L5 SDE2 from Amazon. Would you suggest I take that?
      Jul 19, 2019
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    Jul 18, 2019 0
  • Apple Tubelite
    Yes, the bonus will be counted only in the first year. Refreshers will be granted every year based on perf.
    Forget future of TPM, you’ll get life here 😉
    Jul 18, 2019 3
    • Oracle / R&D TLead
      OP
      Also do you get yearly refreshers starting year 2? Or do I have to wait 4 years to get refreshers?
      Jul 18, 2019
    • Oracle / R&D TLead
      OP
      @Tubelite how is the future of TPM? I mean does it help if I want to be a PM at Apple in future? I am worried about career trajectory.
      Jul 21, 2019

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