Poor Quality Data for COVID-19. Could we really not do any better???

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May 17, 2021 25 Comments

With CDC’s updated mask policies, we have an even more divided population when it comes to this pandemic. Half of the population is celebrating the ease of restrictions while the other half is super concerned. Each side believes the other side to be a bunch of morons.

One of the biggest reasons for this extreme polarization is the lack of good quality data available to the public. We keep on getting bombarded with COVID deaths and cases like it’s a basketball score card but that data hardly has any useful information such as the strains people tested positive with, reinfection statistics, or vaccination status of COVID cases, hospitalizations and deaths.

Due to this uncertainty, people interpret this data on their own based on their own personal biases and choose a side whether Yes Restrictions or No Restrictions.

People who are concerned about vaccines’ potential lack of efficacy for newer strains want to play extra safe by masking and expecting others to mask up even when they’re fully vaccinated whereas people who are confident find it utter stupidity to mask up especially after they’ve been vaccinated.

This uncertainty can easily be overcome if the labs collect and share some additional data fields. The following information from a patient who comes to a lab for a COVID test can remove a lot of uncertainties and make us better equipped to deal with this situation.

1. If a person tests positive, what strain was the person infected with (I have heard this test is possible although a little more expensive for the lab. The government could sponsor this test to gather better statistics for better public health policies. If not for all, then maybe for some random 10% or 20% of the cases)

2. Vaccination record of the person. Also collect this and share if a person is hospitalized or dies.

3. Link the results with a National ID such as the SSN so that we get clean data about reinfections rather than us relying on anecdotes from friends and family.

With such useful information, we can easily figure out how various strains affect the unvaccinated, J&J vaccinated, partially Moderna vaccinated, fully Pfizer vaccinated, etc for various age groups. Reinfection statistics will also help us understand the duration of natural immunity this disease provides along with natural cross immunity across strains. Reinfection seems extremely rare but we still have policies requiring recovered people to mask up and social distance. If we could put a number to reinfections, we can possibly make better decisions.

The vaccines have been proven to be exceptionally effective against serious illnesses with the older strain when we had vaccine trials in November - December. Experts believe them to hold their ground against variants as well.

However, there’s a lack of real data against newer variants making half the population concerned about their efficacy for newer variants. We have heard anecdotes of Pfizer fully vaccinated people dying in India due to the variant currently in circulation over there but we lack good data, only anecdotes.

Until we have good quality data, we’ll make gross errors in risk calculations and keep on making suboptimal policy decisions. We’ll also keep on increasing the distance between the already divided world on what’s the right approach.

I hope we all can come together and appreciate the way vaccines have been produced in record time and at the same time understand the need for good data which we currently lack not a couple of weeks into the pandemic but full 15 months deep into this situation. We might already have preconceived notions about whether to mask up and lockdown or abandon our masks but let’s try to be open as there’s half of the world (including epidemiologists and virologists) whose beliefs are against you whichever side you’re on.

I don’t think any of the readers here has a connection higher up with their country’s top government officials but I still wanted to give it a shot. If you do and you do understand the need for better data, please try to convince your country’s government to instruct the labs to collect and share richer data. Or we’ll keep on blindly enforcing public policies with no evidence which half of the world will cheer for while the other half will condemn.

PS: Please keep the comments section clean. I would appreciate if we don’t make this post the usual Mask v/s No Mask or Lockdowns v/s No Lockdowns social media battleground. I have observed this before. I write something along the lines of how much uncertainty there exists about this pandemic, this virus, and the state of affairs on vaccination and I always find clowns commenting on the lines of either

“Stay the fuck home” or
“Lockdown supporters are pussies”

Readers in support for lockdowns begin delivering their usual moral science lectures which nobody asked for whereas people against them start mocking how big pussies lockdown supporters are.

Let’s not repeat this and keep the comments section civil. Most of us have already picked up our sides but let’s try to be open to new ideas in the light of better data.

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TL;DR
We lack data on vaccination records for COVID outcomes as well as reinfection statistics for various strains. This uncertainty has resulted in a lack of consensus among virologists and epidemiologists about the possible risks fully vaccinated people face, COVID recovered people face, and how this pandemic might proceed in the future since all epidemiological models rely on this information.

This uncertainty has trickled down in the public and has made our world extremely divided on numerous public health policies. My question is “Is it really such an impossible task to gather good data about this disease? We have had those shitty updates about this pandemic each day like it’s a basketball scoreboard since day 1 but even 15 months into the pandemic, we’re relying on the same poor quality data.”

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  • Financial Services Company / Legal
    MeyerWeb

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    When the guy making this rule is literally the one who illegally funded Coronavirus gain of function research we know we are fucked. Add to insult his best buddy is leading charge at WHO for finding the source of virus they helped fund and create.
    May 17, 2021 5
  • These problems are not new to public health - there are many that have spent their entire careers trying to enable more timely access to data

    1) This requires sequencing the sample. Not every lab is equipped with the tech to do this. It's not only expensive, but requires an entirely different skillet and infrastructure. That's why historically this was done at larger, centralized labs even before COVID

    2) This information is not centralized in the US and each state has a separate vaccine registry. How quickly this information is updated varies according to state and site of vaccination.

    3) There is no national patient identifier, or anything that can act as a national index to match patients to health records exactly every time. While SSN is close, not every health organization collects this, and not every person has one.

    This isn't meant to discourage, but rather to inform. The public health community knows what needs to be done, there just isn't enough funding or manpower to do it.

    What actions those frustrated with this situation can take is provide more funding to public health agencies and consider working for them if you have the desired skill set - it's not the best paying work in the world, but it's a great way to make an impact if you know how to manipulate data quickly.
    May 17, 2021 5
    • This thread is becoming increasing incoherent, so I'm going to save my breath.

      TLDR: recommend reading up on how the public health system and healthcare as a broader industry actually work. Your points suggest you don't actually understand it or basic lab testing concepts. It's not productive to analyze this further from this perspective until you do.

      It's a complicated system but it's not rocket science.
      May 18, 2021
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      OP
      I appreciate that you understand the problem better than I do but you’re reiterating the problem continuously. If you have a suggested solution or how you would have liked to see things instead from the start of this pandemic, please share.

      You’re correct I don’t have a broader idea of lab testing concepts, that’s not my area of specialization. I was commenting based on how I would have liked to see things going on and I know real systems don’t work in an ideal manner, especially in a democracy. That’s the reason why we still don’t know a lot about this virus and we never will. Maybe a few decades down the line our descendants will mock at us just like we do the same with our ancestors.

      Also, if you want and are comfortable, you can share what you voted for on this poll.
      May 18, 2021
  • TLDR jesus
    May 17, 2021 3
    • Thanks. I agree with your premise although I think part of the reason we lack coherent data is this worldwide phenomenon has been politicized to where it's impossible to know what is the truth.
      May 17, 2021
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      Exactly. Each side is so full of confidence that they are correct and the other side is wrong that each side believes there’s no reason for research. We already know what we should be doing and the other side is full of idiots.

      This is how this pandemic has been used by politicians for their own political benefits resulting in an extreme politicization of this issue. Trump - Biden, not much of a difference between them.
      May 17, 2021
  • Also TC or delete the thread.
    May 17, 2021 2
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    There is no vaccine resistant strain recorded right now
    When / If this happens you will see scores of vaccinated falling sick. That will signal a red alarm. Apart from that vaccinations are largely effective against severe symptoms and death so this data would be good but not really necessary
    May 17, 2021 1
    • Amazon
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      https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202105/1222709.shtml

      Agreed this is just an anecdote but good data would certainly help us know if this is an outlier or not.

      One reason why we might not have heard about more number of deaths in people fully vaccinated with Pfizer or Moderna dying in India could be that not a lot of people from US are traveling to India these days.

      In addition, I personally know a number of people fully vaccinated with India’s Covishield vaccine who faced severe illness two months after the second dose. MRNA based Pfizer is claimed to be more effective but until we have good data, it’s just wishful thinking.
      May 17, 2021