Product at Wayfair

New Monono
Jun 17, 2019 38 Comments

I've been approached about a Senior Product Manager position by a recruiter. I was told it's a management position with direct reports. When I look at job spec's online I see some positions have direct reports, while others don't. There also seems to be associated director positions that have no reports. I've also seen head of product and director position advertised.

Can anyone shed light on how the org' structure works?

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  • Wayfair / Product JIaU40
    Do not do it. I am miserable here. I am actively trying to get out. Wayfair does not do product. It’s glorified project management execution... you’re handed solutions and are expected to execute on those solutions. If you challenge it, you basically put your career in a downward spiral. They want yes-people.

    Oh.. and when your product inevitably fails or you’re asked to provide results (which you couldn’t derive because you were handed a solution that must be deployed ASAP), you’ll be blamed.
    Jun 17, 2019 12
    • Wayfair Uphill
      Curious what pod on storefront?
      Jun 20, 2019
    • Wayfair / Eng
      jwxs26

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      It’s pretty bad when you ask what Pod since multiple directors don’t have product experience outside of Wayfair....
      Jun 20, 2019
  • Wayfair / Product JIaU40
    I haven’t heard of good experiences. I’m in operations product. Storefront might be better? But the company as a whole is a giant dumpster fire. No consistent strategy. Bad ex-consultant leadership.
    Jun 17, 2019 4
    • Wayfair / Eng
      jwxs26

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      You’re wrong there are 3 1:1 teams in my pod and another 2:1 come to think of it. Never said straight from MBB. Reading is hard 😬
      Jun 18, 2019
    • Wayfair / Product JIaU40
      I’m in ops product. And I know of SF Teams with 1:1 ratios (see above).

      It’s totally not FUD from an Ops product perspective. I was very clear that I can’t speak for SF.
      Jun 18, 2019
  • New Monono
    OP
    Is this the opinion across the board or are there some good departments?
    Jun 17, 2019 6
    • Wayfair / Product JIaU40
      And what is the ratio of “better” teams to bad teams?
      Jun 19, 2019
    • Wayfair / Eng
      jwxs26

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      I haven’t found good teams lol.
      Jun 19, 2019
  • New / Data
    anon_data

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    anon_datamore
    So... I had a friend who worked there briefly as a data science product manager.

    He left within 6 months because that place was a nightmare and made no serious progress to achieve any changes
    Jun 17, 2019 2
    • Wayfair rrbo311
      I didn't know that was a role?
      Jun 19, 2019
    • New / Data
      anon_data

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      anon_datamore
      I think his specific role was called something else (honestly don't remember it right now), but the teams he worked with were BI and DS focused.
      Jun 19, 2019
  • Wayfair / Eng
    jwxs26

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    jwxs26more
    Org is a mess I’m on SF. It’s a matrix between STOs (Cross functional cross department teams) and “independent “ product pods. There are a dozen or so pods each with a director. Some have a single direct report some have a big org. It’s all political and how well you and kingdom build. It’s important to pair your politically strong engineering ADs with product directors. Why? That’s how everything is resourced since all 3500+ job openings you see are ranked. If one functional leader is stronger you end up with 25:1 or 1:1 eng to PM ration, both suck ball sack. Then design is a joke. In my area over 50% of the designers left in Q2, some even before their year mark. It’s that bad they walked away from thousands in stock options just to get the fuck out. Do you really want to join that?
    Jun 17, 2019 0
  • Wayfair / Product JIaU40
    Your engineers will be unhappy wherever you go in product. Our tech stack is becoming too unwieldy to manage. Deploys and reverts take hours upon hours as it’s one giant PHP repo. Hard to make progress with spaghetti code. You’ll spend most of your time trying to QA. Just awful. Stay away.
    Jun 17, 2019 0
  • Wayfair Vbbk01
    I am a Sr. PM in OPI. I also got a pretty high offer and now i am sick of long hours , trying to please both business and engineers. No clear strategy and lack of bandwidth. Plus changing teams is also not easy. I made a bad choice coming here you shouldn't.Stay away.
    Jun 20, 2019 1
    • Wayfair rrbo311
      Which zone are you in?
      Jul 8, 2019
  • Wayfair / Eng
    jwxs26

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    jwxs26more
    From another thread but very relevant here.
    Jun 18, 2019 1
    • Wayfair sin()
      Sup that’s me 👋🏼 I think I need to stop spending so much of my work time on Blind
      Jun 18, 2019
  • Microsoft / Eng rLcX37
    I got ridiculously high offer. Asked around and realised basically what the above comment says. Stay away at all costs.
    Search here on blind and you'll know.
    Jun 17, 2019 2
    • Amazon SameDay
      How do you define a ridiculously high offer ? What TC for what level and yoe ?
      Jun 17, 2019
    • New Monono
      OP
      And for what position/level?
      Jun 17, 2019
  • Turo / Product yuohbnm
    Avoid at all costs
    Jul 6, 2019 0

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