RSU Taxation for pre-ipo companies

Pure Storage / R&D
SWE1234

Go to company page Pure Storage R&D

SWE1234
Nov 14, 2021 8 Comments

I have never worked for pre-IPO companies, hence do not know RSU taxation concepts.
Here is my understanding based on an example I have shown below. Please let me know if I am correct.

Offer - 200K Cash + 150K RSU per year = 350K TC

Year 1 - 200K Cash + 200K RSU (valuation increased in the first year while vesting). Since the company is not IPO yet, W2 will still show 200K, the 200K RSU will be taxed upon a liquidity event.

Year 2 - 200K Cash + 250K RSU (valuation increased in the second year). The company is still not IPO, so W2 will still show 200K.

The company goes IPO during the third year. Valuation has increased and the year 1 + year 2 RSU is now worth 600K on the first day of trading. RSUs now get taxed since a liquidity event has taken place.

Year 3 - 200K Cash + 350K RSU (stock is going up after IPO).

My understanding is that W2 for the third year will be 200K Cash + 350K RSU (vested during the third year) + 600K RSU (year 1 + year 2) = 1.15M

It seems to me that on the year the company goes IPO, employees get screwed big time on taxes since they will be taxed at the highest rate possible. In a publicly-traded company, RSUs would be taxed in year 1, year 2, etc evenly. This is not exactly bad since the employee has made a lot of money, but it seems they will end up paying higher taxes compared to if RSUs were taxed evenly every year.

Is my understanding correct, or am I missing something? I have tagged Chime and Plaid since they are the current hot pre-IPO companies.

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  • Chime
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    🦄💩=🍦🍨🍧
    Oh yes you’re going screwed by getting access to millions of dollars
    Nov 15, 2021 1
  • Congrats on the offer! So you've actually got two options here.

    The default one falls under section 83(a) of the tax code. You will, by default, be taxed on your RSUs when they vest. They're income (granted to you in exchange for performance of services), so you'll be taxed on them at ordinary income rates. Usually this will be done automatically, by removing shares from your grant to pay for the taxes. I believe secondary markets do this too, based on the latest 409(a) valuation of the company's common shares, but I am not sure of that.

    Any additional increase in the share price from the time of vest to the time of sale will be treated as a capital gain, or decrease as a capital loss. This includes selling shares on a secondary marketplace. Plenty of info on how capital gains tax works out there if you need it.

    You can also file a section 83(b) election within 30 days of your grant. By doing this, you are electing to pay the tax on part or all of your grant at the time of grant rather than the time of vest. This carries some risks (since your shares are not liquid, you can end up being unable to pay for them, and if the price moves down after grant you will overpay), hence why it isn't the default tax treatment. But if you believe the price is likely to appreciate significantly from grant to vest and you have some extra money to pay the tax lying around, it may be worth looking into.
    Nov 15, 2021 0
  • Reddit
    Judge800

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    Judge800
    Following, tag Reddit too
    Nov 14, 2021 0
  • That is a reasonable understanding.
    Nov 14, 2021 0
  • Chime
    aJhb67

    Go to company page Chime

    aJhb67
    My understanding is that the RSUs are taxed at vesting. Company will hold back RSUs for tax purposes. In your example, Year 1 W2 shows 400K but a percentage of RSUs were held back for taxes and were never in your possession.
    Nov 14, 2021 1
    • Pure Storage / R&D
      SWE1234

      Go to company page Pure Storage R&D

      SWE1234
      OP
      a percentage of RSUs were held back for taxes - This is how it works for public companies. How can it work for pre-IPO companies? Since the stock is not trading, how can the company sell a percentage of RSUs for taxes? Unless the company pays money from its pocket and retires these shares. Is this how it works in the case of Chime?
      Nov 14, 2021