Really sad: had G offer years ago, nothing now :(

Jun 21, 2019 98 Comments

I made a huge mistake. 5 years ago I had an offer from G (without ANY preparation), but I went with Amazon. I was new grad and stupid. I was in a great team at Amazon, great pay (high performer, so got really good bonuses every year), great teammates and manager, great WLB, great learning, etc. Then I decided to move to a different team, just because I wanted to try something new. The manager himself came to me and asked me to join his team. I did, and that was my second mistake. After a few months I realized how terrible the management, the product and the team atmosphere was. I thought I could work it out, and stayed another month, and then they put me on dev plan. They kept the plan open-ended, no matter how much I delivered they kept adding to the plan. I started looking external and I couldn't pass G/U. I did get offers from some other companies, but honestly I didn't want to work with them the moment I met the interviewers. They were way below my average expectations.
I don't know what to do. Not allowed to switch teams while being on dev plan. Feel very sad that I had an offer from G years ago and now I failed their interview. The recruiter said the feedback was that I was extremely close to make it, because the solutions were correct and optimal but the consistent feedback from different rounds was that I was a bit slow.
I don't even know if that's something they tell everyone who they reject or not.
I just don't know what to do:(

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  • LinkedIn / Eng The zapper
    Seems you were close just try again later
    Jun 21, 2019 15
    • Right I mean, SQL is used everywhere, I’ve been in many interviews asking me to write SQL.

      I mean, there are even SQL problems on Leetcode.
      Jun 21, 2019
    • Microsoft / Data 🙈🙉🤷‍♀️w
      Well, at Microsoft we use an internal SQL like language for metrics and logging. I work on computer vision which means that databases aren't a part of my daily job 🙄
      Jun 22, 2019
  • Cisco so funny
    Try other companies. Not just G. If you are ready, get referrals.
    Jun 21, 2019 13
    • Clearstream.TV beedangs
      Wtf you should definitely go to Lyft. What was the total comp?
      Jun 21, 2019
    • Cisco so funny
      What I meant was - sometimes there are opportunities where you learn, sometimes there are opportunities where you lead. Lyft will be a great place for you to learn to lead if your opinion of yourself is correct.
      Jun 22, 2019
  • Amgen Fin4eng
    It seems like you’ve made up your mind to only work at 4-5 different companies. So then deal with the situation and tough it out.

    Otherwise try another company and realize it might only last a year if you get in and switch to google, you might learn something different, and maybe you’ll actually like it and your impact.
    Jun 21, 2019 6
    • Amgen Fin4eng
      Are you looking for a solution or do you just want to gripe about your situation ?

      This attitude of I can’t work with these engineers at other companies and my team who aren’t up to my level and my managers suck because they don’t push back on deadlines is off putting and probably why you are on a dev plan.

      Personality and fit matters and if you act like you can’t work with others then why keep you in the team?

      Maybe working with engineers who don’t have your technical chops would allow you to function more as a leader and influencer and you’d learn and develop in other ways while still executing on meaningful work
      Jun 21, 2019
    • Amazon alsvdoh
      OP
      I don't know why I posted here. I'm just extremely sad.
      Jun 21, 2019
  • Snapchat Ralvut
    Fucking Amazon
    Jun 21, 2019 0
  • Comcast G0ku
    Are you out of your banana eating mind? Big mistake?

    $AMZN went up 486% in the last 5 years. $GOOG merely doubled.
    Jun 21, 2019 2
    • Amazon alsvdoh
      OP
      First of all, it's not just about money. Second, Amazon stock went up, yes, but Google has annual refreshers and a much better atmosphere. They don't people on dev plans because of their managers.
      Jun 21, 2019
    • Apple iCould
      I wouldn’t paint Google as all roses. Yes, there are good teams and probably on average there are more good teams at Goog than at amzn, but there are many bad teams and the likelihood of getting there is higher for the outsiders. There are teams at Google that are quite unpopular internally due to different reasons like culture, nature of work, turnover etc. Those are the teams that are staffed primarily by external candidates.
      With that, enjoy what you have. Every path is the right path. It could be you dodged a bullet by avoiding Google the first time and worked for a good team at Amazon, at least for some time. And like Comcast guy said there were advantages of staying at Amazon, you just don’t want to see them.
      Jun 21, 2019
  • Amazon Notpresent
    i’ve been there too. try again. don’t get stuck if you are unhappy w where you are. it was a good lesson. company fame, the temporary growth, “leadership” vision, free lunch, gym, these don’t count. what counts is how the company values its people, how the culture respects the talents and encourage career growth. It can’t shout out a slogan “hire and develop the best”, but in practice it puts people on hidden agenda everyday.
    Jun 21, 2019 3
    • Amazon Notpresent
      do u have to stay in seattle? maybe you can expand ur search.
      Jun 21, 2019
    • Amazon alsvdoh
      OP
      At the moment I can't leave to the Bay. My wife works here as well and we have kids, so really it's not easy at this stage to move (house mortgage, etc.)
      Jun 21, 2019
  • Snapchat Ralvut
    Are you on Visa?
    Jun 21, 2019 4
    • Amazon alsvdoh
      OP
      Quit and do what? I failed G,U
      Jun 21, 2019
    • New gw43
      Lol, wtf. I can’t take this seriously anymore
      Jun 21, 2019
  • Avanade / Consultant MohyCS
    I understand what the dev plan is. But if you’re performing very well year after year, why put you on the dev plan? I thought this was for poor performers?
    Jun 21, 2019 2
    • Amazon alsvdoh
      OP
      It's "advertised" to be for poor performers, but because Amazon gives too much power to the managers, in the bad orgs they put whoever they "think" is poor on this plan. I had several disagreements with my team and although I was the only one who met the deadlines and delivered on time, my manager still chose me to be on this plan.
      It's simply based on the manager's point of view, and not based on the documented evidence of your performance (like the code, design, operations, etc.).
      Jun 21, 2019
    • Avanade / Consultant MohyCS
      Sounds like they’re just using it to milk more results out of you guys, as if your current progress isn’t enough. Seems cancerous af.
      Jun 21, 2019
  • FIRST OF ALL — realize that you’re in a really good situation — with 5 years of experience at a FAANG. This is invaluable and will help you your entire career. Congratulations.

    Breathe.

    What you need to do is take a vacation, refresh your mind, come back and start applying to new teams within Amazon. Brush up your LC skills too — apply to *all* FAANG and unicorns. Lots more than just G/U. I hear G pay isn’t even the best anymore.
    Jun 21, 2019 4
    • Amazon alsvdoh
      OP
      Yes, I already mentioned I failed U interview.
      Tableau (and Salesforce) never responded to me.
      I failed MS online assessment because it asked me to write a query in SQL! WTF? I've never mentioned it on my resume and never worked with SQL.
      Jun 21, 2019
    • Well okay, from the looks of it, you don’t want to relocate to the Bay Area to work at FB/Netflix/Apple, can’t work at any other Tier 1 in Seattle, and don’t want to settle for a Tier 2 like Stripe.

      So then...only option as I see it is to find another team within Amazon. This time, make sure the manager is good.
      Jun 22, 2019
  • Microsoft vTk96
    You should take your Lyft offer. No job is perfect, but it would be better than staying where you are. In a year or two you can interview again if you aren't happy. Google lets people interview again all the time.
    Jun 21, 2019 2
    • Amazon alsvdoh
      OP
      Why do you think it's better to take Lyft?
      Jun 21, 2019
    • Snapchat Ralvut
      Lyft is a good company, I would definitely prefer that to F and Uber. Also remember Google is not the same type of company it was 10 years ago, so don’t beat yourself over that.
      Jun 21, 2019

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