Refreshers Competition

Feb 23, 2019 66 Comments

FB, GOOG, AAPL have the best refreshers. What are the other companies that have good refreshers that match on-hire grants.

Zillow has a decent refresher. MS is terrible. How is Dropbox, Uber, Salesforce, AMZN, Snap, et al.

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TOP 66 Comments
  • Oracle orcl32
    Where there is little WLB, you will get refreshes. Even in companies which don’t have refreshes, if you work hard you will get refreshes.
    Feb 23, 2019 6
    • Microsoft / Eng yt216z32
      OP
      @liwb, alright agree. For an average Joe in GOOG vs other companies
      Feb 23, 2019
    • Amazon eds@
      I interviewed once at a company and my interviewer was ex-googler. When asked why he left G, he mentioned really bad wlb. I was surprised to hear that. So it seems it is not good everywhere. Btw, two of my interviewers that day were former googlers.
      Feb 23, 2019
  • New / Eng michalumni
    Not having good refreshers incentivized people to move on after 4 years.
    Feb 23, 2019 3
    • Airbnb NasirMack
      Even if there’s refresh new hire still wins with extra initial grant
      Feb 23, 2019
    • Cruise Automation
      wutb

      Cruise Automation

      PRE
      Google
      wutbmore
      It's the cost of replacement times the probability that people will leave. Wrt a purely comp-based model, people have a bias towards staying where they are, for both rational and irrational reasons
      Feb 23, 2019
  • Two Sigma ghjklf
    At Two Sigma instead of RSU you get a cash bonus and for anyone meeting expectations it goes up every year. So no 4 year cliff.
    Feb 23, 2019 13
    • So no C/C++ like for HFT firms or is it super optimized JVM?
      Feb 24, 2019
    • Two Sigma / Eng kyske
      It varies by team.
      Feb 24, 2019
  • Dropbox’s on target refresher is 1/3 of the 4 year package they’d give an external candidate. This can be higher (or lower) depending on performance review.
    Feb 24, 2019 5
    • yt216z32 - Not in practice because what is market rate (and therefore what an external candidate would get) isn’t static and has been going up a lot over the past few years. If things were static, then yes.
      Feb 24, 2019
    • Microsoft / Eng yt216z32
      OP
      Makes sense.
      Feb 25, 2019
  • Ebay and paypal have great refreshers
    Feb 23, 2019 6
    • Microsoft / Eng yt216z32
      OP
      CTA given out every year at eBay? How about the cliff?
      Feb 24, 2019
    • eBay danvers
      CTA are given every year (there is a set budget for CTas) and some even get twice depends on team ur work etc i personally know people who have recieved it
      Feb 24, 2019
  • Salesforce Htds65
    Salesforce doesn't give too many
    Feb 23, 2019 6
    • Google / Eng mad👩🏻‍🔬
      They just don't give out much equity
      Feb 24, 2019
    • Microsoft / Eng
      tarasenko

      Microsoft Eng

      BIO
      Intern @ MS
      tarasenkomore
      How long ago was your 30k/4 years?
      Feb 25, 2019
  • Netskope youo
    Salesforce amongst these has worst (or none) refreshers. Most stingy when it comes to TC
    Feb 24, 2019 0
  • Adobe noMoreLC
    I joined adobe as a new grad. I received 35k/3 for year 1 and 50k/4 for year 2
    Feb 23, 2019 0
  • Tableau / Eng Hanrahan
    Tableau is ok. Used to be better. Average refresh for a senior is about 50k.
    Feb 23, 2019 5
    • Microsoft / Eng
      tarasenko

      Microsoft Eng

      BIO
      Intern @ MS
      tarasenkomore
      Does Microsoft make enough money to offer Google like refreshes with WLB?
      Feb 23, 2019
    • Microsoft / Eng yt216z32
      OP
      I'm okay to tradeoff off a little WLB for a better refresh. Do not have to look for a jump when my on-hire runs out of steam.

      The tradeoff would drive efficiencies to partially pay for the better refresh
      Feb 23, 2019
  • Uber / Eng fudhbe47
    Uber refresher goes 100k x 1-2
    Feb 24, 2019 4
    • Google nooglr
      What fraction of folks get a multiplier of 2
      Feb 25, 2019
    • Uber / Eng fudhbe47
      It’s not 1 or 2. Average is 1.2, lots of higher performer gets 1.7. Not sure the percentage tho
      Feb 25, 2019

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