Riot Games levels?

Jan 22 38 Comments

I just got an initial verbal offer from Riot. They told me that they need some extra time to finalize the offer. Anything I should watch out?

One thing to flag is that they mentioned that given I came from non gaming background, they will offer me an associate development manager role instead of product leadership role I thought I was interviewing for.

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  • Riot Games ADCAnnie
    Production here is broken loosely into technical production and game production. Technical production mostly happens on platform stuff and the game background is less critical but sometimes critical depending upon the work.

    For both types of production roles, people work on a spectrum with one end having work oriented around product priorities and strategy and being maybe more like ‘product management’. There is often some overlap with design on these topics.

    The other end is oriented around managing a complex high dependency software project with a complex team and gradually resembles something closer to project management or just software team management. If on the product side, you need to know a lot about how games are made and the design and art choices available and how those affect players in order to make good decisions - otherwise we’d just use an artist or designer with good leadership ability and get a better result :)

    You should just ask specific questions about expectations, roles of other leaders involved, etc. Is this on a game or something else?

    There is some fluidity between the types of production but they won’t put you in a job you won’t succeed at, and we’ve miscast enough people in the wrong situation into product management inside games to know the risks and how to assess and when to wait and all that. We also can spot people who can switch to product management pretty reliably internally and it is a position we frequently want more of, at least when we can get great people.
    Jan 22 8
    • Microsoft p1zzabot
      Thanks!
      Jan 27
    • JUUL / Strategy
      3c0mm

      JUUL Strategy

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      3c0mmmore
      Finance Principal at Riot spans many different role/experience levels (Sr. Analyst through Sr. Manager). There are essentially three different comp bands within the Principal title depending on the level. The next level after Principal is Director, to give you a sense of the progression.
      Feb 9
  • Riot Games \.!./
    We have a habit of putting over qualified people into associate roles and having them rage quit after 6 months because the scope sucks. If you are qualified for a leadership position but aren't being given one then I would decline the offer.

    I made the mistake of accepting in a similar situation and it took me 3 years to get back up to the TC and responsibility set I had at my previous role despite being more qualified than my manager.
    Jan 23 12
    • Riot Games ADCAnnie
      \.!./ - what happened with rnd office? They seem like they have it under control over there

      pHXw22 - talk to them directly about what happened. It may be they assessed in good faith and reached a conclusion and the offer sucks for you. It could be they screwed up. Too much detail in the context that only you and they have. Best wishes. Sorry the experience has been mediocre.
      Jan 24
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      I agree with the original post in this thread...I was in a role too junior for my value/experience and was finding it difficult to get upward traction even though I’d been doing Director-level work for most of my experience there. Had to leave to capture the value of my experience, which was a bummer bc I did enjoy working there quite a bit.
      Feb 9
  • Riot Games uFaht25ff
    If you are at google and not an intern, Probably best to just walk unless your dream is working on league.
    Jan 23 0
  • Scientific Games MetaMind
    I was EP at a casino gaming company and a recruiter for the Modern Warfare team thought I was a great fit for the Associate Producer role, despite 25 years experience in more senior roles. There is a certain snobbery that successful game studios get that makes them think people will take a pay cut and 2 steps down just to work on their team.
    Jan 28 0
  • Google kthere
    @the riot employees saying bad things about riot. why do you all work at riot? i thought the tc was so low that it is only worth it if you REALLY love the company.
    6d 11
    • Google kthere
      Google is like 320-350 at the lowest for seniors, but senior is anything from 5 yoe to 10+, so its a wide band. Ah, maybe I'm mistaken with numbers from another game company. I thought riot SWE L3 equivalent was something like 112K. Would you happen to know the actual numbers?
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    • Riot Games anaiziwj
      We would retain no one if we were paying senior engineers that. I sent you a pm.
      6d
  • Riot Games mIPC18
    Decline. Development Managers are a hot mess. 75% of them can barely handle the project management because they're too busy ideating about work systems. Associate DMs are not even salaried last I checked. Riot has some of the best people I've worked with in my career in art, design, engineering, but production and in particular the DM side of it needs a lot of work.
    Feb 11 0
  • Riot Games blaviken
    Production at Riot is awesome in some places but not all. If this is on League you will be shipping and it could be awesome.
    Jan 23 0

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