Following is, in my opinion true for tech workers and especially for SWEa RoW (almost all) < USA < CA < Bay Area < SF. Its hard to fins any other city better than SF in particular (cuz SF) and Bay Area in general (cuz of concentration of companies - oppurtunities/pay etc). why so much hate for SF and bay on blind. if u think someplace else is better please mention and explain. sure u might have better QoL in say AMS. But it cant come close to Bay for tech career.
Think hate is only for CoL in SF/Bay Area and not the tech career aspect of it.
Obviously CoL isn’t a magical thing. Rational people should understand it comes with the opportunity and the high pay is a function of that CoL
No other first world city has poop police - that sums up SF succinctly. Many programmers aren’t insufferable bleeding hearts just want to be left the fuck alone. Losing out on a bit of TC (which just gets eaten up by higher COL) is worth avoiding people and companies where the insufferable white guilt and pandering is so pervasive.
It’s been gentrified to hell.
Is there a way to prevent that anywhere , that offers so many high paying jobs?
We just need another good old fashioned bubble pop to level things out again.
And drugs, homeless, libs, taxes, etc.
Drugs r a bigger problem in rural/middle America. Homelessness is a US big city problem in general. Libs can be annoying sometimes even to me. So I agree if u r on the right it must be hard for u. Oh poor u /s. Taxes r high. Sure. But that also pays for all the social services. Yet it’s lower than Scandinavian countries, Canada.
What social services do people who pay taxes get? In canada/scaneinavian education is cheap or free, you get almost free healtg care for everyobe (not just poor). So stop comparing with canada/sweden about taxes.
It’s N incredible city with unique opportunities, fantastic places of culture, almost instant access to great outdoors. I love SF
I like everyone who agrees with me for the right reasons. ♥️
Some people like their sidewalks feces-free 💩
And how many times have u seen that personally in SF as opposed to hearing anecdotes about it?
Unfortunately, I have seen this several times as well as needles laying on the ground. San Francisco is one of the dirtiest cities I have ever been to.
In addition to poor QoL, I didn't care for people in SF either. Not very friendly and super classist. I make half the money now but am so much happier
Where is that? Also is it possible that u r happier cuz of some personal reason that might not apply to others in general?
Prefer not to get specific but it's a state many Californians look down upon. I know for certain that the improvements in my personal circumstances are directly correlated to my move
Austin. City is attracting big tech names. Top colleges nearby therefore no shortage of quality. Good weather and low taxes. Good balance between QoL and CoL.
COL. I live in Atlanta and my quality of life is seemingly better than people I graduated with who live in the Bay. I travel frequently, drive an exotic car, live in objectively the best neighborhood of the city... the bay has its pros too, for sure. I wouldn’t say I hate the Bay. It’s just not the promised land that many people who have only worked in Silicon Valley seem to think it is.
I seriously can not say anything if u think Atlanta has a better QoL. Only thing is it's cheaper. And there are v good reasons why.
Yes...I think making 300k a year and still not being able to afford a house worth bragging about is not a good quality of life. But I respect your opinion.
I would never live in SF. I’m uninterested in the toxic tech culture there, it’s expensive AF, and I can have a very good career elsewhere. I’m in the Bay Area for lots of conferences and am always happy to leave. But everyone has different ideas of what makes for a good career and quality of life, so if SF makes you happy then great!
May I ask where? Sure u can have a good career anywhere if u r a top talent. But think if your company goes under or has massive layoffs. Is your "elsewhere" still good enough?
You’ve crapped on every place that someone else lives that isn’t SF so I see no reason to divulge my location. This thread is about why people don’t like SF and not why you don’t like where I live.
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Weather though. 3-4 months of misery. 😖
NYC (Manhattan really) beats SF in almost everything, in my opinion. I love Manhattan. Though it falls short for number of purely swe opportunities. Also seasons/weather.