SWE is getting saturated?
With all these coding bootcamps incessantly pumping out cheaper engineers most new CS grads these days can't even find a job. On the flip side, I've seen companies fire tenured engineers in leau of significantly cheaper Indian new grads desperate for H1b sponsors. Considering the increased level of interest in data science/ML and higher number of students interested in Comp Sci. Do you think SWE will be saturated in 10-15 years? Will there be enough job and wage growth to sustain the seeming oversupply of engineers? TC offered at G is already edging lower (probably due to said saturation and oversupply.) Edit: Frontend roles are already super saturated everywhere. FB requires 7 YOE min for most frontend roles. Coinbase is also the same. TC $111K, YOE 3.2, SRE-SWE
Yes, it's only a matter of time before demand for SWEs starts going down
Matter of time means how long exactly
That is true of any kind of job. Agriculture got automated long ago reducing a ton of jobs. A lot of work in the factories got automated too. Same is happening for software too. Just a decade ago, all these big data/cloud technologies were very hard to work with and used to fail every now and then. Now they have become much more resilient with a plethora of tools for monitoring/alerting. With your DBs running more faithfully, programming languages delivering more and more functionality in less and less lines of code, ultimately software engineering will one day become way too simple too. Coding bootcamps are not to blame here. It is the human desire to automate more and more that is continuously removing current jobs in favor of more intelligent jobs. Near future (like 20 years) belong to the cloud and artificial intelligence, after which it is very hard to predict - maybe we would have automated so much that mankind will enter an age of abundance for the first time or some world war kind of event will happen to set us back by a couple of decades or software/engineering/technology will focus on handling very complex tasks like reversing of aging, terraforming other planets, breaking speed of light barriers, quantum computers etc. It is hard to keep up-to-date but there is no other choice.
“Terraforming other plants” 😂 gold
I like how much foresight you have in future
SWE is considered a lucrative career where you don’t need any formal degree (in US) to get your foot through the door. As long as you can code and solve leetcode type problems companies are willing to hire you and are willing to overlook everything else. Also, this is well known so why won’t people take a chance and leetcode and get top TC. The competition has become fierce for the top paying companies. You may still be able to find a mediocre TC job without grinding leetcode. As the secret sauce is out there are more people out there grinding leetcode vs spending time on formal education, who the heck doesn’t loves shortcuts to quick money. As time passes and companies notice that there are more qualified leetcoders than they want to hire the demand is ultimately going to slow down drastically so if you don’t want to miss riding the bubble you better get back to a computer, disconnect socially and eat drink and sleep leetcode and crack FAANG interviews before they shut the door and the ship sails.
Apple how many LC did you do
350
The bootcamp grads are terrible
If you're a CS grad who can't find a job, the problem isn't the bootcamps.
CS grads are doing bootcamps? Why?
A lot of these bootcampers and career switchers are only in it for the money. If they don't have genuine interest in software engineering I'm not sure they can last long.
Look at Blind, and how many people here seem to be out only for money.
Bootcamp grads are frontend monkeys. Writing infra, AWS, Google maps, search requires strong CS skills.
It is saturated for new comer without much experience and try to do front end development. There are way too many of those now. But it is less/not saturated if you have 3+ years experience. The market is hungry for experienced SWE. This is based on my recent job search with about 30 companies. Your milage may vary.
Remember how pointers and recursions weeded out so many first year CS students? It’s doing the same in the industry, except now you get fired. It’s just hard for non degree people to keep up.
Soon everyone on this planet will code !
Coding isn't software engineering
Software engineering and coding is the same.... for companies hiring cheap bootcamp grads