Sad new Amazon L6 promo TCT for bay area

Nov 20, 2019 31 Comments

I'm finding my new L6 promotion salary disappointing and wanted to get a feel of experts who have more data and insights. 

I have been a transformation lead at L5 in the organization, building new systems, training teams on standard operating principles, solving for unique operational issues that even dedicated teams, whose charter involves building such systems, did not deliver (they had other higher priorities). Yes there are metrics supporting my claims, yes they are included in promo docs and are accessible. My knowledge sphere and contribution spreads over both hardware and software teams/projects. Eventually, going to the grueling and broken promotion system - I have been approved for promotion. What came as new numbers for TCT are sad, particularly seeing how much have contributed the entire org. Here is my data:

Joined as L5 with 15 YoE (3 at company)
TCT: 273k (Base: 177k, RSU: 96k)

L6 promotion numbers
TCT: 290k (new Base: 185k, new RSU given: 51k total worth) 

Location: Bay Area

I feel this is very low for L6 in the Bay Area. What do you think? What should I ask for?

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TOP 31 Comments
  • New htCR81
    Yup, you are at the lowest point of L6 range. Get an outside offer, if you still like your group (and vice versa) you can negotiate a much better counter offer.
    Nov 20, 2019 3
  • Before you ask for anything, what are you gonna do if they say no?
    Nov 20, 2019 0
  • Amazon / Eng
    Urooj

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    Uroojmore
    Same story here. Absolutely no hike after L6 promotion. The responsibilities have increased but not the income.
    I am sincerely looking outside for a change.
    The only way Amazon increases only if you get a good offer from outside and your manager does a dive and save.
    Nov 20, 2019 2
    • Amazon meesport
      OP
      I had been wondering why people left Amazon right after promo. Now I know it. We had a star performer leave right after his much deserved and unreasonably delayed promotion.
      Nov 20, 2019
    • Amazon meesport
      OP
      Urooj, what are ur numbers before and after L6?
      Nov 20, 2019
  • Amazon nu675cbdex
    Unfortunately, you can't do anything.. you will be in bottom of band after promotion. You can get competing offer and can play dive and save. But be ready to walk away if they don't match
    Nov 20, 2019 0
  • Google topCon
    One word: frugality.

    Come to L5 Google for 400+
    Nov 20, 2019 0
  • Cisco Hjkb55
    Stay in and pivot to another company in a year. ‘You can always trade power for money but seldom money for power.’ Once you’ve worked as an L6 for a year or so other companies will see you as an L6 and much more likely to hire you as one. To me that’s the big value add
    Nov 20, 2019 0
  • Amazon uPhone
    I don’t think you have an option to negotiate. You can be pissed about it and let your manager know. Your manager will then write a doc to raise your salary. In the end, it won’t change significantly. It’s better to start looking somewhere else
    Nov 20, 2019 6
    • Google swinglyf
      520k
      Nov 20, 2019
    • Amazon meesport
      OP
      520k? swinglyf are u joking or boasting?
      Nov 20, 2019
    • Google swinglyf
      Neither. You asked, I gave you an answer. Are you disagreeing with the idealness of the number?
      Nov 20, 2019
    • Amazon meesport
      OP
      swinglyf, that number is very bold. Are you stating that on basis of ur current Google comp?
      Nov 20, 2019
    • Google swinglyf
      No.

      That said, I agree it is bold. If you provide an upper bound on your boldness, I’m happy to give an updated number
      Nov 20, 2019
  • Facebook TioAzul
    Core value is be frugal. The longer you stay at AMZN the more underpaid you are, it's because they use a total cash comp targeting system with a very low inflator.
    Nov 20, 2019 0
  • Amazon blink!
    I hope you do get good hike to compensate loss in March.
    Nov 20, 2019 3
    • Amazon meesport
      OP
      What do u mean exactly?
      Nov 21, 2019
    • Amazon blink!
      Annual performance review cycle in March. Btw you had really good sde2 comp. so difference is very less
      Nov 21, 2019
    • Amazon meesport
      OP
      I have never trusted more carrot shown in lieu of the current carrot disappointment.
      Nov 21, 2019
  • Amazon foshebk
    Why do you think it’s lower for L6? What is the L6 band in your location?

    You should consider L6 promotion as going into a band where your tc can go upto 400 based on performance, which is not possible at L5.
    Nov 20, 2019 2
    • Amazon meesport
      OP
      Promo is given when u are already proven to be working at the next level, but ur salary is not. So when you get promo one should expect a reasonable salary bump not a silly excuse 'Oh u were already paid high'. The lowest band, just the entry into L6 (barely) is 290k in my area AFAIK.
      Nov 20, 2019
    • Cisco Hjkb55
      Dude it sucks but just take the promo. Using a counteroffer to leverage more money is generally bad advice and it’s still more money. You can re-assess after being in role for a while
      Nov 20, 2019

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