Should immigrants be able to bring over their retired parents and get free healthcare?

Jul 29, 2019 211 Comments

A lot of migration to the US, through every visa system, is actually economic migration from poor countries. Often times immigrants will eventually bring in their entire extended families from these poor countries, often including retired parents and such, folks who end up getting free healthcare here when they themselves never paid any US taxes.

Medicare costs $915/month to the taxpayer for every enrollee, and generally takes 35 years of premiums to generate the capital to provide retirees with that level of benefit over a typical lifespan.

Plus often you get one immigrant who brings in FOUR parents, including the parents of their non working spouse. So then the have one workers tax being cashed out as healthcare for five people.

So it can end up being a huge burden on the healthcare system here.

I don't want to stop people bringing over their family if they want to, but it does seem to me we should look the free healthcare. You should personally have had to work in the US for at least ten years to get any kind of social security, medicare, or Medicaid in my opinion.

Maybe even longer than ten years.

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  • Kemper / IT Sub-Zero
    Where do I sign up for this free healthcare?
    Jul 29, 2019 14
    • Groupon / Eng sleepy
      This not about hate but about rational policies.
      Jul 30, 2019
    • Amazon &p
      OP
      Correct
      Jul 30, 2019
  • Microsoft / Product
    Brazuka

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    Brazukamore
    Goddamn OP is annoying AF
    Jul 29, 2019 50
    • New / Product GRHw77
      What matters is what government spends on parents. Not what it costs everyone. Just compare it to a self employed person who has to get his own private insurance. That is the liability of the parent. Not the rest of the government mess or their inefficiency.

      Also, I don't have parents. I am talking for others. I don't see anything wrong if my tax money is utilized for school districts where there are illegals students or parents healthcare from any immigrants
      Jul 31, 2019
    • Amazon &p
      OP
      No, what matters is what the government spends. As the reason why medicare costs a lot more than private health insurance is because medicare recipients are over 65 which costs a ton.
      Jul 31, 2019
  • New / Product GRHw77
    You need to work in US for at least 10 years and above age of 65 to get Medicare. https://www.hhs.gov/answers/medicare-and-medicaid/who-is-elibible-for-medicare/index.html
    Jul 29, 2019 13
    • New / Product GRHw77
      Haha. The thing I feel bad about you is that, your one of the biggest problems lies around such an insignificant particular community focused issue. Get some life man. You are definitely Desi given this nature
      Jul 29, 2019
    • Amazon &p
      OP
      Still making it personal.

      I wonder why you never discuss the topic. I guess it's because you have nothing to say.
      Jul 29, 2019
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    • Amazon &p
      OP
      I read it. I don't think we should be funding the retirement of non Americans with US tax. If we allow that retirees to immigrate we should make them pay their own way.
      Jul 29, 2019
    • Amazon &p
      OP
      I am an immigrant myself. I don't expect to bring my parents and get free healthcare for them. You're barking up the wrong tree.
      Jul 29, 2019
  • Google snoozler
    No.
    Jul 29, 2019 0
  • Yelp / Eng sJJv80
    Nobody living in a civilized nation should have to choose between medical treatment or financial ruin. #MedicareForAll
    Jul 30, 2019 26
    • Amazon &p
      OP
      So? You already decided that country shouldn't matter, so what's stopping you?
      Jul 30, 2019
    • Yelp / Eng sJJv80
      Please quote my exact words where I said that, or stop putting words in my mouth, DINO.
      Jul 30, 2019
  • Uber gfhwhwv
    Just because your healthcare is broken dont blame the immigrants.
    You know except for emergencies, it's cheaper to fly to a country like India, get treated by the best doctors in top notch facilities and fly back.
    Jul 29, 2019 7
    • Uber gfhwhwv
      Nop, time for you to understand there are other PPL. This is not called integration.

      Unless of course you say that no immigrants allowed who are close to their families. I get it, you are not.
      Jul 30, 2019
    • Amazon &p
      OP
      Pay your own way
      Jul 30, 2019
  • Asurion lVGz10
    Let’s see ... from H1b to Green card takes on average 2-3 years ( I know people that die to their work condition have been in the process up to 8 years) then that person needs to wait another 5 years to apply for citizenship, which takes anywhere between 1-1.5 years. After being citizen, they can apply for parents green card which again takes 1-1.5 year. After that, parents need to wait 5 years to get the green card to be eligible for benefit. The total time from H1B to parents start using the benefits is minimum 14 years! A person in tech with average compensation of 150k through this 14 years pays almost 800k in taxes+ social security . I don’t even count the added value that they generate throughout these years ... so I think you AMERICANS need to just for once stop blaming AMERICANS-IMMIGRANTS and just fuck off!
    Jul 29, 2019 5
    • Amazon &p
      OP
      We're discussing family immigration here. You don't sponsor you parents with an employment based greencard!!!

      If the sponsor is broke then bringing in their broke parents is even worse.
      Jul 30, 2019
    • Amazon kCgr03
      h1b to GC takes 2-3 years? That'a a joke. 2-3 years if you are from a country with very few applicants. The vast majority of applicants are from India, it takes an avg of 11 years to get GC, plus 5-6 for Citizenship.
      Jul 31, 2019
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    It’s all shitposts and jokes - get a sense of humor!
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    We can’t keep 18th century laws for the 21st century globalized world. But not really sure what the solution is?
    You can be nativist but that is xenophobic.
    Demanding merit based immigration is racist and is so demanding a border wall.
    Jul 29, 2019 4
    • New / Eng hezi
      Xenophobic? tf? It's called protecting your country and people.
      Jul 29, 2019
    • Groupon / Eng sleepy
      The parents should be given a long term visa so that they can come and stay with their kids whenever they want. But it should not be a GC or a citizenship with it.
      Jul 30, 2019
  • I would say yes.

    It’s also about having healthy relationship as well. Not sure where OP is from, but I found that I am more productive when being able to live close to my loved ones. My mom is one of them.

    Economically, I can see your argument. However, my mom do contribute to society as a babysitter. It’s not the glamorous job out there, but it does keep her busy and create a positive value to society.

    From my perspective, healthcare in developed countries like the US should become a right, not a privilege.

    You can’t call yourself a developed nation when the people are afraid of seeking medical treatments due to fear of bankruptcy.
    Jul 29, 2019 6
    • Yelp / Eng sJJv80
      If the parents don’t have their own income, aren’t they low income? I don’t get what you’re saying.

      You whine like a kid who thinks someone else got a bigger piece of pie than they did, but the benefit is there specifically for people who have very low income. You, too, can get this “free healthcare” if you want it: just give up your high TC and donate all assets to charity.
      Jul 30, 2019
    • Amazon &p
      OP
      That's the point, I don't think we should be bringing in low income people who will never work and never pay a dime in tax and then ask American taxpayers to fund their retirement.

      There are a couple of solutions, any of which would solve the problem:

      1. Deny coverage to any immigrant who has not worked at least ten years in the US

      2. Deny immigration visas to people who are in retirement and whose pension/saving would be considered low income

      3. Include the sponsor's income in any assessment of low income status
      Jul 30, 2019

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