New grad. What is the career growth like at each of these companies for silicon? I have heard great things about Apple, but Microsoft’s refreshers apparently are terrible. Facebook im not sure of, I know their compensation is very competitive for SWE but I dont know about hardware. I don’t have offer numbers for FB yet, but role is in Redmond, WA. Microsoft and Apple offers are very similar TC for the first year — 150k. But Apple does not give RSU refreshers to new grads until after their first promotion. FB and MSFTs hardware divisions are unproven as well... more risk to work there right? What company?
MSFT’s hardware team are not as bad as you think. It’s definitely better than Facebook’s. 59 - 65’s refresher are basically nothing compare to other company.
Ict2 does get refresh, just not much
MSFT hardware is not bad. And it’s easy to transfer to software teams if you found underpaid.
saw1saw, do you work in hardware? If you do, could you tell me a little more about what you do please?
Wait for FB comp. It's one of rare companies where HW can get SW level comp. One thing to consider is the team you'll be joining; if your FB offer is in Redmond, I assume you are talking to FRL and there is a difference between joining a R&D team and a product team in terms of what you can learn in your first two years & how your performance is evaluated. As for MS, a lot depends on which team you got an offer from (Xbox vs Surface vs Hololens). In Seattle, people move between FB and MS a lot. The general sentiment is FB pays better, but MS has wlb. However, for hardware, you still need to talk to partners in Asia no matter what company you work at. Probably less of that if you are in a R&D group.
Thanks. The thing is I have yet to interview with FB, currently my best offers are Apple/MSFT and I’m wondering if I should even go through the interview process. Leaning towards Apple, don’t know whether to tell my recruiter to extend the offer till after I interview with FB. It’s for FRL. MS is for their Azure server hardware team. For silicon, we don’t really talk to Asia partners unless we’re licensing their IP I guess. That might not be what I would be doing as a new grad.
That makes sense. My observation was more on general product engineering. FRL still has a somewhat academic culture due to its origin. I think the product side of Oculus silicon team is in Burlingame or Sunnyvale office (California).
Your handle shows Apple, are you doing internal transfer to silicon team? Based on posts I’ve read here Apple silicon team also pays similar to software team
I was an intern in SEG
Ignore the money aspect of it and figure out which company offers the biggest room for growth and the biggest opportunity for you to make an impact. Truth of the matter is that you’ll be able to move from any of these companies to the next if you eventually feel like you made the wrong choice. Just keep in mind that FB’s culture is def a step up from Apple and Microsoft’s.
Which offers the most interesting projects? Where do you get the most responsibility? If it's only a paycheck to you, take the biggest paycheck. But career growth doesn't mean size of the paycheck at your first job.
They were all interesting projects. You’re right, it wasn’t just the paycheck — it was the opportunity to gain responsibility and broaden my impact at my job.
looking at these open job reqs makes me wish I did not focus on RF. Nothing but mixed signal and digital design roles in the Bay Area.
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All I have is a data point that if I refer someone to Apple for silicon I get a huge referral fee. It makes me think they are well adored here...
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How much?