Hire people with 15 years of experience at the price of a new grad?

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EulersIdty

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EulersIdty
Feb 14 69 Comments

It is pretty typical... Google, Facebook, they pay their new grad $190k TC...

And then for people who have worked 10+, 15+ years, come in as a contractor, with $90 / hour, or $92 / hour. That's $173k per year.

(52 weeks per year - 2 week holidays no pay - 3 week vacation no pay = 47 weeks = 1880 hours per year). And new grads who are full time also have 401k match, ESPP, life insurance, health insurance, dental, vision, these benefits are not part of the "TC" yet.

So that's very "convenient". What's in their mind? Paying people with 15 years of experience at the price of a new grad? Do they think there is a class of people who are slaves and deserve to get less?

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  • I spent ~$300k for my Bachelors in CS with zero financial aid. Cry me a river buddy.
    Feb 14 8
    • Cisco
      EulersIdty

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      EulersIdty
      OP
      However, I do see Leetcode as a tool to reject somebody for other reasons. I suspect that even if you pass Leetcode with flying colors, they are not going to let you have the job. Talk about the WITCH contractors. Many of them I knew had a rate of $27 / hour some 8 years ago. I am not sure whether it is still $27 or $30 or $25 now, because it is said that WFH can allow people who is in Oregon work for a company in California. So you think these people are not good? You think they want to get $27 / hour if they can get $180 / hour or $300k TC and they just don't want it? Wouldn't it seem natural that they are forced to not able to get it? By what? By their race, skin color, or the Visa they hold, or the accent they have? It is extremely unfair to them.
      Feb 19
    • Amazon
      eSnQ80

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      eSnQ80
      Why do you bring up race or visa? Also everything you said is not true. Amazon gets made fun of for hiring too many visa holders and abusing the fact that they can’t quit easily. I’m done responding to this thread bc I think you’re delusional. Don’t leetcode so you can stay out of any company I work for.
      Feb 19
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    • Google
      pazF58

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      pazF58
      Don't exaggerate. You're talking about a difference of ~10% TC. Your original post mentions 190k vs. 170k. A difference, yes, but not to the level of "throwing you a bone to eat".

      I'm FTE at G too (L5), but I don't work in a location with a high cost of living. I've seen L3 offers in the Bay Area with slightly higher TC than me, but I'm not salty about it.
      Feb 19
    • Cisco
      EulersIdty

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      I live in the expensive Silicon Valley, so I am not like you. By the way, the contrast of a bone is like after working hard for 6 months, they get a bonus of $16000 and I get $35.
      Feb 21
  • Google
    owqJ68

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    owqJ68
    A little under 200k isn't a slave.

    You underestimate the number of paid vacations. G and FB with start with 4 weeks now.

    G has no ESPP.

    Doesn't seem fair to me.
    Feb 14 6
  • Meta
    ADzf76

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    ADzf76
    It's simple. Do Leetcode, study System Design and prepare STAR format stories for maybe 50-100 different Amazon interview questions. You'll be G2G for lots of companies.

    If a person with 10-15 years of experience don't want to do that, then that's their choice.
    Feb 14 4
    • Cisco
      EulersIdty

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      Facebook talking about good things about Amazon, I guess I will take a look. But without LPs, you think the world is going to stop? With a lot of passion, I enter a company and trying to do the best for the company, and often I see all crap in it. But it is good to TALK about "LP", right?
      Feb 14
    • Cisco
      EulersIdty

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      EulersIdty
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      Ok, I saw it.

      It is like how to teach an idiot to recite something so that he can appear not like an idiot:

      > Interviewer: “Give me an example of your most difficult customer interaction and how you worked through it. What was the outcome?”

      > You: “At XYZ Company, I once had an internal customer who wasn’t happy with the product I created. When I dug in, I found that the product that I built matched the requirements laid out in the requirements building phase that gathered by a different team. Instead of blaming or pushing back on that team, I dug in to find out what the customer wanted the product to do. I communicated the updated requirements to the build team and got all required approvals. We were able to build out the new features in X days. The customer was satisfied because the product was able to do what s/he needed it to do.”

      By the way, this guy looks so stupid:
      https://youtu.be/CpcxVE5JIX4?t=18

      and this lady trying her best so that she CAN look like a decent programmer. I can sense that she is the type of person in our class trying her best to get a B grade and hoping people think that she is smart enough:
      https://youtu.be/mjZpZ_wcYFg?t=350
      Feb 15
  • I wonder what this guy thinks about 18 year old NBA players with $50m contracts, TikTok stars, kids born into wealth……you’re damn right he isn’t complaining about that. He chose to pick the weaker victims: new college grads. Go leetcode boomer.
    Feb 14 1
    • Cisco
      EulersIdty

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      EulersIdty
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      if you understand the post, it is not aiming at the new grads. It is aiming at the companies. But maybe you need a boost in your IQ before you can understand it
      Feb 14