Tech IndustryAug 17, 2019
HauteLookhamsterpm

Switching to PM might be a mistake

I have a unique background and at a turning point in my career. I recently switched job from being a data scientist (DS) at FAANG to Product Manager at Nordstrom, mainly because: 1) I always wanted to be a PM but couldn't switch in the company I was at 2) although I was good at data analysis but I am a superman when it comes to driving cross team projects 3) I have also co-founded a startup in 2015, and absolutely loved the hustle. I have 6+ YOE in the data science domain. Masters in non-CS , industrial engineering (which is the bummer) It's been 10 months at Nordstrom and I am starting to feel difference of a retail (though they have e-commerce) company and tech company. PMing here is completely different; it is extremely slow, not analytical, lack of leadership and very political. And most importantly the compensation makes me cry. (130K TC, took a pay cut when I moved). I am in my 30s and need financial stability ASAP. So I have three choices now- 1) Start looking again for a PM role in other companies that pay well (but not sure if i can get an offer due to lack of experience) 2) Stay here for experience and then look 3) Go back to data science for a bigger paycheck Have any of you guys been through the same? I am interested in listening to your journey Any thoughts or advice is highly appreciated! 🙏🏼 edit: I am a PM for their e-commerce business.

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Disney mav.rick Aug 17, 2019

If your goal is to PM, #3 shouldn’t be an option. Now you have the knowledge that PMing for retail is horrible... maybe you can make a smoother transition to “e-commerce” since it’s sales related but there are a lot of tech e-commerce sites. One thing I’ve seen from successful PMs is that they’re committed to the career change. If you’re not happy, then definitely look somewhere else... it may seem tough but I’m sure someone will take a chance on your story.

Hearsay Shake Aug 17, 2019

Leave retail. They are NOTORIOUS for being political, slow, disorganized, political... did I say political? No matter how organized a place looks, retail will always be a mess.

Target tmDe33 Aug 17, 2019

No u

HauteLook hamsterpm OP Aug 17, 2019

Thanks for your suggestion, just to be clear I doing their site personalization. Do u have any suggestions where I should look?

BYTON cJKu57 Aug 17, 2019

So far I have worked in 8 companies (none at faang level but mostly good companies). What u describe "PMing here is completely different; it is extremely slow, not analytical, lack of leadership and very political. " Is what I saw every single PM do in all my SWE roles. Hence I have zero respect for PMs. But u seem to have come from a place where PMs did real work and not just power-grab-politics. I'd suggest if u want to be a good PM please come work with me and show me what a good PM can be. Or find a place where PMs don't spend their time BSing their days away.

HauteLook hamsterpm OP Aug 17, 2019

Good PMs bring good problems backed with data and evidence to engineers and removes blocker for them to build solutions. They fight for them they take the blame for all the bugs , and they love their product despite of every flaws. Good PMs always stand by their engineers no matter what.

BYTON cJKu57 Aug 17, 2019

A lot of times I feel all they do is pass messages along while obscuring the source on either end so it seems it was their idea or their work. But I would love to work with a PM u describe.

HauteLook hamsterpm OP Aug 18, 2019

Any thoughts anyone?

Booking.com Catch21 Aug 18, 2019

I have the same problem. Moved from Engineer to PM and it's not as good as I thought. I'm in your same situation. not sure if I should keep going or pivot.

HauteLook hamsterpm OP Aug 18, 2019

Did u switch companies or teams?

Booking.com Catch21 Aug 18, 2019

teams in same company

EA player_1 Aug 18, 2019

On the same boat here . I think FAANG TPM roles are legit

MeridianLink XVrn30 Aug 19, 2019

I think PM requires a certain personality. Nordstrom is a bit of an odd company in the first place. PM always involves significant politics and soft skills.

Visa plane Aug 19, 2019

I work at Visa, where retail experience is an asset. Product is pretty political here but more data-driven / some FAANG-style PMs here. DM me if you want a referral

EA player_1 Aug 19, 2019

Interested. DM’ed you

HauteLook hamsterpm OP Aug 26, 2019

Very kind of you! But I am currently working on a side project which I plan to launch in the six months. Most probably it won't work like all startup ideas, I might reach out to you then :)

Twitch CP0 Aug 21, 2019

Something is missing. If your Superpower is driving cross team projects, you should be able to navigate large organizations, even if they are political. What is the condition to unlocking your Superpower? IMHO going back to tech centric company for PM is the obvious answer

HauteLook hamsterpm OP Aug 26, 2019

The performance reviews are non existent here. There are no inventive to do good work therefore logic doesn't work. Senior Management couldn't careless therefore my attempts to influence leadership hasn't taken off either. Currently I just rely of personal relationships to get things done. Since we are not data driven, prioritization generally is done by friendships or HIPPO

MLB pabc830 Sep 4, 2019

Option 1, if you really don’t want to be a Data Scientist again. You will only learn bad habits in your current gig