Thinking to boomerang to Amzn

Jul 26, 2019 44 Comments

A couple of months back left Amazon for a small tier 2/3 company that gave me a very good TC. now, after coming and working at a new company I realized how far in eng bar they are. All conversations with managers on improving things, setting up proper processes, basically raising the eng bar are ending with response like that’s allgood but we cannot afford that, etc. I am missing eng culture and tools we had at Amzn. not sure what to do now.

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  • Vistaprint / Eng
    out of ink

    Vistaprint Eng

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    Cimpress
    out of inkmore
    What is the "cost" they're afraid of? Raising the bar should either decrease cost or increase revenue over time.
    Jul 26, 2019 24
    • Amazon / Eng
      fahrenheit

      Amazon Eng

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      Zalando
      fahrenheitmore
      OP, you're getting some valuable feedback here, but if taking the needs of the business into account you still reach the same conclusion, I would encourage you to take ownership of this initiative and make a structured case to your leadership. Good executives listen to numbers. If you make your case with details on specific process and tooling changes that would improve specific inefficiencies, you should be able to convince tour leadership. Make sure you take it one step at a time, starting with the low hanging fruit with the most business impact. Your instincts are in the right place and are driving you into a higher responsibility role where you set the technical direction for a company, but success when operating at that level is intimately tied to your ability to factor business concerns into your technical vision. And if you try, do everything right, and they still don't listen, leave.
      Jul 27, 2019
    • Amazon missAmzn:)
      OP
      fahrenheit@, nubody@, Intel@, thanks guys for valuable feedback and advices. My purpose of posting was not only to make a poll, but also get an advice. Really appreciated!
      Jul 27, 2019
  • LinkedIn nubody
    Stay and make the company better. You have a great opportunity to set the direction right. You need to understand that engineering is not only using tools but to build them as well. Step out of your comfort zone
    Jul 26, 2019 3
    • LinkedIn nubody
      Be a better communicator, earn their trust and do the right thing. Why does everybody think escaping from people/company will solve problems?
      Jul 26, 2019
    • Amazon missAmzn:)
      OP
      I thought the same when I was joining, that I will try to make it better. However, so far my tries are not successful. Of course I can do things by overtiming. But not at company level.
      I somewhat agree that small companies are cheap and stubborn.
      Jul 26, 2019
  • Uber / Eng itsdara
    Start by building tools that make your own job easier.
    Jul 26, 2019 1
    • Amdocs Red&White
      This guy gets it, lead by example. If it's actually good others will follow
      Jul 26, 2019
  • Tyler Technologies
    batwomann

    Tyler Technologies

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    Amazon, Rover.com
    batwomannmore
    It depends what you want. Don't forget the bad at Amazon. I worked with crazy psychopaths and even though I miss the intelligent culture, I'll never go back. Work doesn't matter that much. I do my best where I can and don't worry about what I can't control. Embrace the inefficiencies, they're why you have a job.
    Jul 26, 2019 0
  • Credit Karma NewYorkCt
    We had a testing tool lacking. I made it in my free time. Some of my team mates started using it recently & they appreciate it. It will keep spreading if it's good.
    We have some Staff engineers who are not hired to write libraries but they wrote it & now people use it. Point being, it's very expensive to dedicate resources for it, you got to push great practices on your own slowly. Business value generating $$$ is more important over CI/CD process.
    Jul 26, 2019 0
  • Amazon / Eng
    fahrenheit

    Amazon Eng

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    Zalando
    fahrenheitmore
    You could also try some other technically mature company. Amazon is lagging FAR behind the state of the art for technical operations, so if Amazon is your point of reference for doing things right, I would encourage you to seek a company closer to the cutting edge.
    Jul 27, 2019 6
    • Credit Karma NewYorkCt
      Vancouver really?
      I don't think Vancouver or Toronto comes even close to Bay Area. They don't even come close enough to Seattle IMO
      Jul 27, 2019
    • Amazon / Eng
      fahrenheit

      Amazon Eng

      PRE
      Zalando
      fahrenheitmore
      It's not about quantity, it's enough to have one good company where you can get to the next stage in your professional growth. There are gems spread all over the place.
      Jul 27, 2019
  • eBay enoname
    Seattle or Bay Area? (or somewhere else)
    Jul 27, 2019 1
  • Amazon / Eng hgjdtfbb
    Which tier 2 company?
    Jul 26, 2019 1
    • Amazon missAmzn:)
      OP
      Cannot reveal, quite small the community at L6 level.
      Jul 26, 2019

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