Microsoft 65 offer better than AMZ L7?

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qgoM66

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Jul 2, 2020 18 Comments

I’m a L6 TPM at Amazon being put up for L7 in Q3. My base is 149K, TCT is 220K this year and 280K next year without promotion.

Got a Principal PM 65 offer from MSFT.
Base: 190K
Stock: 175K vesting over 4 yrs
Signing bonus: 50K

Thoughts on the MSFT offer? Am I likely to successfully negotiate a higher signing bonus- what is the upper bound?

I expect the AMZ L7 promo would bump my base by 10% and I’d get more stock but not beat the MSFT offer

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  • Amazon
    Northman

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    Northman
    This doesn't seem worth it. Your comp will drop next year and MSFT 65 is lower in scope than Amazon L7, in the general sense. So don't give up your promo track for a modest, one time bump in comp this year that will result in a comp dropoff next year, unless you just hate your current role. Go for 66 or 67 at Microsoft after functioning as an L7 for a bit at Amazon.
    Jul 3, 2020 2
    • Amazon
      qgoM66

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      qgoM66
      OP
      I thought this initially too. But I think the bonus structure is better at MSFT than AMZ.

      Yesterday got these #’s from a friend who is a 65 mgr currently:

      Avg performer
      -annual merit increase on base 2.3%
      -annual stock award $36K
      -annual cash bonus target, 20% of base (36K)

      Top tier performer:
      -annual merit increase on base 4%
      -annual stock award up to $72K
      -annual cash bonus up to 40% of base ($76k)
      Jul 3, 2020
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      qgoM66

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      qgoM66
      OP
      Comparing at AMZ L6, last year I was top tier and got a 3% base increase and $145K in stock vesting over 2 years.

      It’s not tenable to stay TT at AMZ every year so it seems like MSFT is a better bet

      Thoughts?
      Jul 3, 2020
  • Amazon
    YHwS33

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    YHwS33
    How long did it take you to make L6?
    Jul 2, 2020 2
    • Amazon
      qgoM66

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      qgoM66
      OP
      Started at AMZ L6 5 years ago
      Jul 3, 2020
    • Amazon
      YHwS33

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      YHwS33
      Sweet. My goal is to reach L7. I used to be at the L5 pay band in a previous career as a non-technical manager. After a career change, I’m now in the L4 pay band. Maybe I should’ve taken the Ops Mgr position in FC instead of SE apprentice. 🤦🏻‍♂️
      Jul 3, 2020
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    NOVAintech

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    NOVAintech
    I made the jump from AWS L6 with a 280k TC to L65 in MSFT with 350k TC so you can definitely ask for more.
    Jul 3, 2020 1
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    Duderst

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    Duderst
    Location ?
    Jul 2, 2020 1
  • Amazon / Product
    jkrow

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    jkrow
    Make l7
    Jul 3, 2020 0