Unionize for WLB and Contingent Workers

Apr 26, 2018 50 Comments

Hey guys,

I really think we should consider unionizing. We will gain great power in an industrial union to make things better for our contract/contingent/temp co-workers like those who feed us, do security, etc.

We could also push back on the spiraling wlb problem at the FAANG companies

Main union starting to look at this is one of the wobblies:

https://www.iww.org/pt/unions/dept500/iu560
I don't think it's very strong active, but it could be. Join up and push for organizing help! Iww favors direct over political action, industry wide organization, and workplace democracy.

The CWA also has a chapter:

https://washtech.org/node/1

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TOP 50 Comments
  • Amazon t5hg3
    No. Union shops are horrible, no one can be fired unless they are so bad it's practically criminal. As a result they are incredibly frustrating places to work since you have to work with a lot of really awful, lazy people who don't do their jobs.
    Apr 26, 2018 13
    • Amazon t5hg3
      Unions take job security to a ridiculous extreme. Amazon vs Facebook vs Netflix is nothing like any union vs and non union company.
      Apr 26, 2018
    • Intel LvsO78
      Unions are what you as an employee vote in. Gives you control over your future protects you from losing everything over night. Corporations without unions make changes to benefits that benefits the corporation. Take away what they want when they want and you have no say in it. Don't knock something that gives you a voice.
      Dec 17, 2018
  • Rover.com / Eng Trotsky
    Most of the replies here are regurgitated anti union propaganda that has been force fed to workers for the last 30 years.

    Unionized workforces are often in much better positions than unorganized ones, this is especially poignant in lower paying jobs. Where I come from a union job is highly sought after.

    In tech things are different. We’re less exploited, and treated a lot better than most workers. Official union recognition isnt always the best thing, but it’s always an option.

    I think most folks are more open to grass root unionization over joining a global org. It’s easier to know where your dues are going.
    Apr 26, 2018 1
    • Twitch dei1
      Well I'm not a wobbly but for what it's worth, the iww doesn't really usually go for nlrb recognition. The important thing is forming a coalition with your co-workers and demanding change one issue at a time.
      Apr 26, 2018
  • FarmLogs gQcn75
    Judging by this thread there's a massive number of folks that are too busy thinking they are very smart to realize they are dumb and have been thoroughly indoctrinated by big businesses to work against their own interests. In the meantime a worker in the US has no paternity leave, 2 weeks of vacation per year (completely ridiculous), firings without reason and no realistic recourse against harassment or discrimination. Good job folks, don't come crying when you realize the gravy train stops at around 45 and you're all eminently disposable.
    Apr 26, 2018 6
    • Facebook wobblie
      OP
      This one if you unionize
      Apr 26, 2018
    • Sirius XM Jd0swKf
      All of the benefits listed by FarmLogs exist at various companies in the US. Not all, but enough to where you can go pick and choose where you want to be.
      Apr 26, 2018
  • Cisco bad_karma
    We are living in a communist America now?
    Apr 26, 2018 2
    • Facebook wobblie
      OP
      Unfortunately not. Anarcho communism is the future though
      Apr 26, 2018
    • Facebook wobblie
      OP
      Fully automated gay space communism!
      Apr 26, 2018
  • Autodesk / Eng Anomalyæ
    No
    Apr 26, 2018 0
  • Cintas ButtHol3
    I briefly worked at a union location in Las Vegas. One of the workers punched another worker right in the face.

    His punishment? 3 months paid time off as a “suspension”. He came back bragging that he had a 3 months vacation.

    What kind of shit is that? Unions encourage laziness because you are overly protected.
    Apr 26, 2018 0
  • Sirius XM Jd0swKf
    If there’s spiraling wlb problems at FAANGs, I bet unionizing creates spiraling TC problems. I don’t see how companies are going to continue to justify massive TC when everyone starts clocking in and out 9-5.
    Apr 26, 2018 7
    • Sirius XM Jd0swKf
      I could see a 25% bump for some industries, but it’s not adding up to a massive share of the employer’s profits and the employer and C-level execs are still making boatloads.

      I’m very skeptical of the room to get a 25% across the board bump in tech... wages were low for non-union unskilled labor because of the supply of qualified labor and unionizing helped that. However, tech companies are competing with each other over much scarcer, highly skilled labor and wages are increasing because of it.

      In addition, the average annual raise for unionized labor is 2.1%, so that initial big bump is the payday and what you get after that is not much of an incentive to excel. Comparatively, I’ve seen highly skilled tech workers blow the 25% out of the water in just a few years and keep going up from there.
      Apr 26, 2018
    • Sirius XM Jd0swKf
      Also, every tech contractor I’ve encountered is paid comparatively more than FTEs to cover benefits they aren’t receiving due to not being FTE.
      Apr 26, 2018
  • Google ldBV48
    Lol all the anti union people.... wonder if they were also against the cartel of tech employers who grouped together to suppress worker wages.

    https://www.cnet.com/news/apple-google-others-settle-anti-poaching-lawsuit-for-415-million/
    Apr 26, 2018 2
    • Amazon t5hg3
      I'd rather that than have to work with a union toady. I work because I love what I do, I would still do it if it isn't a fraction. I used to do it when it paid a fraction.

      But there is nothing more frustrating than a union shop full of stuffed shirts and chairs that spin at 4pm every day.
      Apr 27, 2018
    • Twitch dei1
      Love a boss's union, hate a worker's union.
      Apr 27, 2018
  • Amazon / Eng asdzxc
    Lol ur going to get fired! Plus, unions are a huge scam! Create lazy workers
    Apr 26, 2018 1
    • Facebook wobblie
      OP
      Completely illegal to fire people for worker organization.
      Apr 26, 2018
  • Capital One / Eng Nigiri
    No. The intent is good. But until we address the problem of bad programmers, this will lead to ruin. We have to hold our profession to the standards that law and medical professionals do. Revoke licenses to those who introduce shit to the ecosystem.
    Apr 26, 2018 4
    • Twitch dei1
      What boss convinced you that your biggest problem is your co-workers?
      Apr 26, 2018
    • Autodesk / Eng Anomalyæ
      Your boss is your coworkers too. Incompetency is a problem all across
      Apr 26, 2018

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