Misc.Apr 26, 2018
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Unionize for WLB and Contingent Workers

Hey guys, I really think we should consider unionizing. We will gain great power in an industrial union to make things better for our contract/contingent/temp co-workers like those who feed us, do security, etc. We could also push back on the spiraling wlb problem at the FAANG companies Main union starting to look at this is one of the wobblies: https://www.iww.org/pt/unions/dept500/iu560 I don't think it's very strong active, but it could be. Join up and push for organizing help! Iww favors direct over political action, industry wide organization, and workplace democracy. The CWA also has a chapter: https://washtech.org/node/1

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Autodesk Anomalyæ Apr 26, 2018

No

Amazon t5hg3 Apr 26, 2018

No. Union shops are horrible, no one can be fired unless they are so bad it's practically criminal. As a result they are incredibly frustrating places to work since you have to work with a lot of really awful, lazy people who don't do their jobs.

Yahoo Yaboo! Apr 26, 2018

Yes.

Facebook wobblie OP Apr 26, 2018

Sounds made up

Cisco bad_karma Apr 26, 2018

We are living in a communist America now?

Facebook wobblie OP Apr 26, 2018

Unfortunately not. Anarcho communism is the future though

Facebook wobblie OP Apr 26, 2018

Fully automated gay space communism!

Capital One Nigiri Apr 26, 2018

No. The intent is good. But until we address the problem of bad programmers, this will lead to ruin. We have to hold our profession to the standards that law and medical professionals do. Revoke licenses to those who introduce shit to the ecosystem.

Facebook wobblie OP Apr 26, 2018

Found the authoritarian :p. Unions can implement education and certification much more fairly than the government.

Capital One Nigiri Apr 26, 2018

BACK TO THE MEAT GRINDER

Amazon asdzxc Apr 26, 2018

Lol ur going to get fired! Plus, unions are a huge scam! Create lazy workers

Facebook wobblie OP Apr 26, 2018

Completely illegal to fire people for worker organization.

Rover.com Trotsky Apr 26, 2018

Most of the replies here are regurgitated anti union propaganda that has been force fed to workers for the last 30 years. Unionized workforces are often in much better positions than unorganized ones, this is especially poignant in lower paying jobs. Where I come from a union job is highly sought after. In tech things are different. We’re less exploited, and treated a lot better than most workers. Official union recognition isnt always the best thing, but it’s always an option. I think most folks are more open to grass root unionization over joining a global org. It’s easier to know where your dues are going.

Twitch dei1 Apr 26, 2018

Well I'm not a wobbly but for what it's worth, the iww doesn't really usually go for nlrb recognition. The important thing is forming a coalition with your co-workers and demanding change one issue at a time.

Sirius XM Jd0swKf Apr 26, 2018

If there’s spiraling wlb problems at FAANGs, I bet unionizing creates spiraling TC problems. I don’t see how companies are going to continue to justify massive TC when everyone starts clocking in and out 9-5.

Facebook wobblie OP Apr 26, 2018

Because they even now make way more money than they know what to do with?.

Sirius XM Jd0swKf Apr 26, 2018

For some, yes, and so who is going to unionize so they can make *less* money *and* pay union dues on top of that?

FarmLogs gQcn75 Apr 26, 2018

Judging by this thread there's a massive number of folks that are too busy thinking they are very smart to realize they are dumb and have been thoroughly indoctrinated by big businesses to work against their own interests. In the meantime a worker in the US has no paternity leave, 2 weeks of vacation per year (completely ridiculous), firings without reason and no realistic recourse against harassment or discrimination. Good job folks, don't come crying when you realize the gravy train stops at around 45 and you're all eminently disposable.

Autodesk Anomalyæ Apr 26, 2018

I look at those countries with months of maternity leaves and they pay like 50% of what I make now at similar cost of living so no thank you.

Facebook wobblie OP Apr 26, 2018

You can have both if you stop letting management have the fruits of your labor

Apple 🌮tuesday Apr 26, 2018

I worked in a union shop before. Generally I didn’t see many problems. Yeah some bad programmers were protected from being fired faster than they should have been. But I did see poor performers finally get the can. My main gripe is pay and bonus becomes normalized. You bust your butt and get a 4% raise rather than a 2% raise of the guy that slept at his desk. WLB is better, but overall pay and compensation is not. And you better like working until 65 because unless you’re unusual, you’re not retiring young.

Facebook wobblie OP Apr 26, 2018

Comparing union shop to Apple is different than comparing unionized Apple to non unionized Apple. Apple will.still have the boatloads of cash they do now and a union will make you better able to get it.

Apple 🌮tuesday Apr 26, 2018

Even still. I can compare and contrast what I don’t like about unions. I understand what the normalization results are. And unionizing a company like Apple or any of the FAANGs is a pie in the sky. At least for now.

Cintas ButtHol3 Apr 26, 2018

I briefly worked at a union location in Las Vegas. One of the workers punched another worker right in the face. His punishment? 3 months paid time off as a “suspension”. He came back bragging that he had a 3 months vacation. What kind of shit is that? Unions encourage laziness because you are overly protected.