Humiliated by Salesforce

SAP
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Mar 5, 2021 46 Comments

Hey all,

This is a very very interesting story.

I got a call from salesforce. I gave hackerrank of 3 hours. Then I moved forward in the interview process.

After that, I was redirected to another position. Gave all the interviews. Went very well. Talked with the director, explained, “salesforce has a cultural who cares about people a lot.” I got very impressed. Literally interviewed by 6-7 people on the team. All sent very positive feedback.

After following up with the recruiter multiple times (again), Her words were in the email, “we are moving to the offer, congratulations!”. I was so excited. Then nothing, again followed up with her for few times.

Then, The recruiter calls and asks me to join as MTS, I have more than 5.5 years of experience, they were offering me almost the same amount as my current employer. I asked the recruiter that I would like to be considered as SMTS instead of MTS(the job description was not provided and the role was not clarified previously). The recruiter said he/she will get back to me with an update.

My entire interview went so well, I knew there is something wrong with the communication. My recruiter took forever to get back to me.

No response for few days, after again following up with her, she is said "I am on pause."
Then again after following with her she emailed she can not give me an offer because the team does not have HEADCOUNT. I requested the recruiter if we can have communicated for 10 minutes. Did not respond. In the entire process, I performed well, only in negotiations call there might be some misunderstandings happened. So, I emailed the hiring manager ccd recruiter (as she does not respond for two days) that even if they offer me MTS that is okay because I liked the team.

About my recruiter: Does not respond, only responds once in two days at 7 AM PST.

Now SURPRISE!!!!!

A recruiter calls me within 10 minutes of that email which I sent both the hiring manager and recruiter. She was really pissed and talking loudly to me. Very very disrespectful. I literally requested her to talk to me with a lower tone and respect. I think she got pissed because now the hiring manager can see how she was responding in that email thread. She said few things that really made me doubt the culture of the salesforce,

1. You are incompetent to be considered SMTS. Your skillsets are not enough. After few minutes, Even if we have hired you, you would not have accepted the offer. (how does she know? blaming me to save herself). She said we were moving to the offer I did give you a verbal offer and we are taking it back. THIS HAPPENS IN ALL THE COMPANIES AND THIS IS GENERAL PRACTICE TO GET HEADCOUNT AFTER!
2. English is my second language so I can not speak as fluently as she does. after insulting me for 15 minutes, she said “you have problems, you can not understand.”
3. Did not give me space to talk even if I repeatedly requested her “may I please say something?”
4. Said, “ You are upset because you did not get the offer. You have problems.”
5. She talked entirely in 30 minutes of the phone conversation, when I tried to speak she was slack messaging someone and completely ignored what I was trying to say. and she told me I am sorry I was typing something in slack.

I felt insulted, humiliated, and disrespected in this entire process. Such a bummer and waste of time.

I know the recruiter will know who I am but I am not afraid. I am strong enough to raise a voice against what is wrong. So another person like me does not go through this humiliating and insulting process. I want to request salesforce recruiters and managers not to interview for 7 rounds if you don't have HEADCOUNT. First, get a headcount and then interview. I also feel a little unlucky that I got to connect with this manager and recruiter in Salesforce. Hopefully, everyone is not the same. 😊

YOE: 5.5
TC: 180k

#salesforce @salesforce #tech #softwareengineer

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TOP 46 Comments
  • You’re not smts and salesforce quality from this post
    Mar 5, 2021 3
  • Amazon
    GTRfann

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    GTRfann
    dm for Amazon. We have headcount for you
    Mar 5, 2021 3
  • Sounds like ...

    - You interviewed with Salesforce
    - Was leveled based on interview to MTS
    - You asked for SMTS, given you’re paid equivalent to a MTS
    - They said no. And then you’re on pause as they go through the backlog. At this point, they probably filled the role with someone else as time passed.
    - And you go back say nvm I’ll be a MTS, pls hire me.

    I think Salesforce did the logical thing. You asked to be up-leveled and they said no. They hired someone else instead, as they deem leveled appropriately. You weren’t stellar to the point the hiring manager wanted to continue negotiating with you.

    Move on and apply elsewhere
    Mar 5, 2021 6
    • Amazon
      wEnD13

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      wEnD13
      +1 to all above (minus OP).

      OP, you clearly aren’t a manager or understand interviewing/leveling in tech.
      Mar 6, 2021
    • VMware
      VOTF60

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      VOTF60
      Yeah manager just dont want to give you smts, buck up, just go somewhere there are so many companies out there, it is their decision, you cant force ur opinion on them, they are the one hiring, even if you do well, if manager dont like it, then they have the right to just not hire
      Oct 30, 2021
  • Workday
    O🅱️AMA

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    O🅱️AMA
    ^ Probly the recruiter. OP you should get that recruiter fired for this.

    At the same time, you shouldn’t have CC’d the hiring manager on the email thread. But their behavior is inexcusable.
    Mar 5, 2021 4
    • SAP
      fundo

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      fundo
      OP
      Yes, I was also afraid of doing that, but at the same time, Salesforce encourages transparency. I did not email the manager to complain about the recruiter, I emailed that I am okay with MTS offer. I really liked the team and blah blah.
      Mar 5, 2021
    • Amazon
      ynDd33

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      ynDd33
      Behavior like that should be escalated and the HM should welcome it if it means learning that the recruiter is turning away good candidates.
      May 8, 2021
  • New
    talksALot

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    talksALot
    You are childish and have horrible negotiation skills. On what basis you argued that you should get SMTS?

    It seems like you have worked in India as well, this type of blind negotiations is quite common there. Everyone thinks they should be up leveled without having any context about what level the hiring is for.
    Mar 5, 2021 6