I will be joining Apple for ICT4. With TC~250K . I would like to know after 3-4 years of work ex will other bigger comps like fb amzn or goog take me for senior Manager type roles? I have managed few contractors and direct reports in past but not at Apple . Any advice and tips ?
Umm, no, not likely. You need to first get to a manager role at Apple and be a successful manager for several years, and get multiple teams/at least 15-20 reports. Or have delivered some insanely amazing results as a manager.
Geez I have 8 YOE already.. and feel like a loser for not having managed teams.. at this rate I may have to become a manager at 45?? Then when does one become director VP??
Probably never. Life doesn't work like that. You don't wait around and get promoted.
Bigger how? Where's this need to be validated by "big companies" coming from?
stupid society in general. No kidding but I’ve seen several director vp at FANG and most of them have worked previously at one of these
That's incestuous and closed-mindedness. Never limit yourself trying to get brand names on your profile. Your work should shine and reflect your personal brand. Society hasn't caught up with complexity of roles and non-hierarchical organizations.
No one would hire you for a senior manager role, unless you have YOE managing full-time employees as direct reports.
What to do now? already spent 8 years of my career as IC
Become a manager and work up.
If your goal is to become manager at the earliest, then Apple (or Google) is not the desirable place for you. However you can excel as a IC in both the places and also get paid very well (and become manager down the line). For example at Apple, ICT4 is at the same level as M1 and ICT5 is M2. So a Sr Manager is at the same level as a IC at the level of ICT5.
Thanks . my long term career goal is not to be a IC forever. Want to get as close as possible to VP . I do have people management experience in the past but may not at Apple. If I come out of it and join mid size companies as a Sr manager or director would they consider ? Also how easy is it to get M1 at Apple as I’m already ICT4?
It’s not about your skill set but your ability to play politics and make friends
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ICT4 will roughly equate to L5 at Google and E5 at FB (though I have seen ICT4 being offered L4 at Google). Sr Manager is unlikely from ICT4 at Apple.
well I have 8 yoe add 3-4 at Apple that makes it 12 YOE.. which companies would take me as a senior manager ?
How many YOE do u need to join goog at L6??