This is kind of a rant but also hopefully helpful for people reading this. Currently working at Microsoft L61 for 1.5 years (Redmond) Joined 1.5 yr ago with $130000 $50k RSU $40k sign on bonus $13500 relocation (after tax amount so ~$18000 pre tax) After 1 year (perf review) $135400 (around 4% merit increase) 11% bonus $7800 refresher I was quite disappointed with the refresher but the merit increase and bonus was good. Unfortunately the TC was still lower than I had hoped for SDE II, and my new manager sucks. Management is micromanaging and is extremely biased in who they’re promoting. So I’m voting with my feet and going to Google. Total YOE 4.5 graduated with Bachelors Got and accepted an offer for L4 in Chrome OS (Bellevue) $144k 15% bonus (minimum) $204k RSU $20k sign on Dont really have competing offer since the only “competing offer” I got was from Amazon for SDE I with verbal TC of $180k, which is lowball. Looking on Blind, this L4 offer seems low but I’m happy with it since the refresher will crush Microsoft’s mediocre target $6500 (vesting over 5 years) and google is about $60k-$80k (vesting over 4 years) Hopefully Microsoft will get their shit together. Peace Microsoft✌️ #votewithyourfeet
that sure is a lot of numbers to complain about. hope the numbers are better at google
Ya, hoping this transparency would help others as well
Hey that's really great, I'm currently at Microsoft with the exact comp as you but 3x the RSU and 2 YOE @ L61, looking to make the jump in a couple years to Google LA when their office opens up there in 2022. Good luck in your new role!
Thanks! Wow! How did you get so much RSU in 2 years in MS? We’re you a new grad? I heard L61 max RSU offer is $80k. Or is it because of the stock price increase?
Wow, if money is your concern, you should join PayPal, they pay way more refreshers, espp, etc
Congrats.! Try to get a competiting offer asap if possible. You can easily target 150/350/40 for L4 in Seattle.
Unfortunately, I only got one competing offer from Amazon and it was terrible 😆😆 it was for SDE I position which is equivalent to new grad position with me having 4.5 yoe
Try for FB,OCI, Lyft, Snap, Pin. You will be able to complete the entire process in 2 weeks time since you already have offers right now.
Congrats. I heard many 62-63 were downleveled to L3. But even L3 TC beat theirs a lot. You can make more than L65 as L4! What a joke!
Yup! The joke is in the refresher! And bonus target is 5% less! https://us.teamblind.com/s/MUGvP0wk MS annual refresher is almost about 10x less than Google and it vests over 5 years instead of 4...
I just rejected a Google offer at L4 for MSFT at 64. Google not only levelled me down, their offer was a joke as well... I negotiated every penny to match up to the initial MSFT offer, and then out of nowhere MSFT made me an offer I just couldn’t refuse.
😔😔 ya sorry to hear that. But one thing that definitely pushed me toward Google is the refreshers https://us.teamblind.com/s/MUGvP0wk I can validate the accuracy of that post cuz I’m in MS now. It looks like L64 is target $24k refresher vesting over 5 years. But google l4 is about $70k over 4 years. And l5 is about $100k-$120k (over 4 years) For me, In the long run Google comp actually destroys MS comp. Idk about your comp but that’s definitely something to consider.
for L5 it’s 105k. It’s much easier to get rating with > 1.0 multiplier at Google. So think about 84k vs 24k lol
How come Google L4 is paying less than Amazon SDE2!
For me, I agree mine might be lower than the average SDE2 in amazon (questionable though) because I don’t have competing offer. But I’m content because the rsu refresher is so much better than amazon so for the long run, it’s much more sustainable (about $80k refresher per year). Google also has better benefits.
Lol an amazon sde II doesn’t pay more than that
Leave it for someone else to take :)
Congratulations!