Do FAANG employees live in a bubble?

Oct 11, 2020 26 Comments

I used to be at the director level at a Fortune 50 with 300k tc and happy with life, with PhD and MBA both from top schools and 15+ yoe, and I could see people in my team with PhD from top schools making much less than myself, until I saw the tc's reported from FAANG here on Blind and could not believe my eyes. Finally I decided to go on an interview spree and got offers that doubled my TC and now I know the tc's are real.

So I have been thinking if I have been grossly underpaid in the past 15+ years or I should feel lucky that I bumped into FAANG on Blind, or which is the reality, the world outside FAANG or within FAANG. I remember the employee in my team who had a PhD from Berkeley with 30+ yoe who had tc less than a fresh graduate with an undergraduate degree here at FAANG, who had a good life and family, worked diligently on cutting edge technology, and probably happily retired now, and I concluded that the life outside FAANG is the real life, and FAANG is just a giant bubble, or distorted reality.

Another evidence is that only US enjoys this kind of high TC. In any other parts of the world, even FAANG employees do not have such high tc's.

Don't tell me you need this kind of TC to survive in bay, as I know people with 'normal' tc who had bought houses in premier neighborhoods and accumulated 5M+ net worth by saving and investing. Also don't tell me FAANG employees are better so they deserve more, as I had worked with ex-FAANG employees in my previous companies and know they are not so different from others.

So my question is how long will this bubble sustain itself?

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TOP 26 Comments
  • My prediction, ad rev will decline over next decade for the leaders due to privacy and antitrust
    Oct 11, 2020 6
    • How will small companies outdo Big Tech if section 230 is repealed?
      Oct 28, 2020
    • Google
      xQnl37

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      xQnl37
      ^ it’s obvious. Once section 230 is repealed, the biggest companies will be sued for $$$ for the smallest transgressions or errors (think fact-check, wrongly banned, algorithmic bias etc). Nobody will sue the small broke startup that’s copying the same business model to create an alternative Google or alternative Facebook. The big tech monopolies will be held to such a high standard that their profit margins will collapse. That’s what the free market does. Everyone’s gangs up on the big whale to suck them dry. History is replete with examples.
      Oct 28, 2020
  • Apple
    hhGq61

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    hhGq61
    World has changed a lot in last five years and stock appreciations are skyrocketed. Stimulus plan has further fueled it. In current covid situation These are the companies who can generate the money even while employee working from home and sell there products. These are giant black hole and all money is gravitating towards it. If Bezos can have 200b than employee even at 400TC is just like peanuts.
    Oct 11, 2020 0
  • PwC
    sambo1949

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    sambo1949
    It’s a fair point, however it’s not exclusive to FAANG. There are plenty of other similar employment bubbles that enjoy elevated comp compared to the rest of the world / F500. Eg top tier consulting firms, all investment banks, buy side investment firms — all of these companies have as many employees as FAANG and have similar crazy high compensation (albeit more cash / less stock generally)
    Oct 11, 2020 0
  • Intuit
    intuitive

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    intuitive
    First of all, there is not just one reality. Everyone lives in their own realities. The world outside FAANG and within FAANG are both realities.

    If money was a big motivator for you, then yes - you were underpaid for the 15+ years you worked outside FAANG. Also you missed the opportunity to work on challenging problems at scale.

    It is not just the US that enjoys high TC. I’m from another country and I know people who negotiate every bit of their TC. Money has the same utility and value almost everywhere. It just depends on you where it lands in your list of priorities.

    FAAANG is not a mandatory to make $5m+ net worth or for buying houses in premier neighbourhoods. You can do it with careful money management over a period of years. A better TC just helps you accelerate the whole process.

    FAANG companies take a lot of care and effort to hire smart and talented people. They want to retain them. Paying a good salary is the easiest way to do that and they have the means to do it.

    PS- I’m not a FAANG employee.
    Oct 11, 2020 1
    • NVIDIA
      EnVDA

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      EnVDA
      This!
      Especially with talent retention through high pay. This is something that Nvidia is just beginning to learn. They lost a bunch of good people when the stock tanked a few years ago, then started paying better raises and better comps to new hires. So the easiest way to keep people around is high TC.
      Oct 11, 2020
  • Google
    datroll

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    datroll
    This is a fairly recent phenomenon. I think two driving factors are the exploding tech revenues and the Facebook IPO.

    In 2000s to early 2010s, bitter aftertaste of the dot com bubble burst was still fresh, and many undergrads went into fields like accounting or actuarial sciences, which were thought to be more stable and lucrative.

    Facebook's IPO in 2012 and their poaching of top talent with - at the time - ridiculously high offers started a war for top talent that resulted in rocketing salaries at the top, which continues to this day. Prior to 2014, top senior engineers were lucky to make 300k+, but that has completely changed now.

    And in today's winner take all world, companies making 100+ billions in revenue would be foolish not to pay up for top talent. And when you look at revenue per engineer, you can even make the argument engineers are underpaid at the top companies.
    Oct 11, 2020 0