Tech IndustryJan 8, 2020
Juniperprint(‘f’)

Wassup with Amazon hiring?

Just came to know that Amazon hired 80 interns just from a university like UTD. Is this the next level of mass hiring? Also, for new grad full time, they are giving away offers after a couple of phone interviews. In the phone interview they ask the same question they asked for online assessment. Why has the bar gone so low? It means you are hiring any random guy having a degree. How do you verify if someone can even code a single line with this hiring methology?

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Bombardier mloading24 Jan 8, 2020

80 new hires??? From utd???

Apple vaporize Jan 8, 2020

Yes. It is on their cs website. Lol

ClubCorp say! Jan 8, 2020

Where have you been? This has been discussed to death. Amazon mass hires new grads with their shortlist/shortcut interviews. Reason is its easier for them to mass hire and mass fire when most of them wont cut it for long term and the work they need to do has been done by them already. Rinse and repeat. Burn and churn. This doesnt happen at L5/6+ experienced hires. So you can easily put together why.

Juniper print(‘f’) OP Jan 8, 2020

I would have missed it.. but fuck, what the hell

Cerner JohnWick99 Jan 8, 2020

Imo it’s way better than joining a mediocre company.

Northrop Grumman NANDx Jan 8, 2020

80 interns relative to thousands of employees. I don’t see what’s abnormal here. They are rapidly expanding in N. Virginia

Juniper print(‘f’) OP Jan 8, 2020

No other company, specially FAANG hire this way. I mean at least there should be a live coding.

Amazon dQJq51 Jan 8, 2020

There is data to back it up that new grad hired this way performs the same with normal bar. Who doesnt perform will be piped out fast anyway

New
scheme Jan 8, 2020

Hire at scale. PIP at scale. Amazon does everything at scale.

Amazon newdecade Jan 8, 2020

What kind of work experience are you going to expect a new grad to have lol? Just coming from x fancy university doesn't tell you shit about them other than maybe their parents were wealthy. you can ask basic LC but they're not going to know much system design from work experience, new grad bar shouldn't be incredibly high, see how well they can learn on the job because the ask for entry level devs isn't too high I'm an industry hire so didn't join as a new grad

Juniper print(‘f’) OP Jan 8, 2020

The point is the way they hire. One online assessment, god knows who and how that was solved. And then you give them days/weeks to prepare the same question to be asked to explain during phone interview. At least have a live coding or something.

Cisco Smileyss23 Jan 8, 2020

That's not always the case there are few people who get only 1 round for new grad where the questions are same as the assessments where as there are some people who get 3 rounds for new grad in which they ask around 5-6 leetcode questions with mostly 1-2 hards and 3-4 medium questions along with behavioral too. It seems quite unfair to the people who get 3 rounds

Yahoo techleet Jan 8, 2020

"Hire and develop the best" my ass

Google swinglyf Jan 8, 2020

What do you mean? What’s not in line with the principle in this case?

Amazon newdecade Jan 8, 2020

we can't meet Yahoo's high tech bar :( no wonder they've had so much innovation and success

Amazon 🍌nutmufnz Jan 8, 2020

Yeah school title and GPA isnt an indicator of success. Hire at scale and let the weak drown.

Juniper print(‘f’) OP Jan 8, 2020

But at least make sure the right candidate had coded the solution. Because I know the cases where 5 people are sitting together to solve one question. Or someone else is solving on behalf of his friend.

Amazon 🍌nutmufnz Jan 8, 2020

That I'll admit is crap. The students should have a foundational knowledge and be able to find a solution whether coding, networking, security, Linux, etc. It may take some assistance or a deep dive to see if the student can be coached as an employee but I dont think a piece of paper and LPs are enough to make someone successful.

Fidelity Investments ~y0d@ Jan 8, 2020

I have seen both for new grads/L4 role. Some of the people have to go through the complete loop whereas some just get the offer after the OA and sometimes a generic 30 minutes interview/call after that. People who have to go through the loop has to go through the same bar as before. I think its how you perform in OA or might be completely random/luck and mostly for new grad and not people with industry experience joining as L4.

Cerner JohnWick99 Jan 8, 2020

For folks wondering here’s the article. Amazon 80 and fb 20 🤭 https://cs.utdallas.edu/largest-number-of-utd-cs-students-join-amazon-and-facebook/

Amazon readme.q Jan 8, 2020

Well with the fact the company in terms of personnel is more than 4 times bigger ... that means fb mass hires too? 😂