So I want to attend a data science bootcamp to become a data scientist, but I also want to move to Europe. Achieving both of these goals are equally important to me. There's a really good, competitive bootcamp here in NY, that cost ($13k) with alumni getting really great jobs, as they have alot of connections to great companies. I also love their curriculum, career support and everything else about them except for it's location There is another less quality bootcamp in Amsterdam for (7k euros) that pretty much accepts everyone, (no prior programming needed) but they would help me get a student visa. Also they teach in R, not python and other things are missing in the curriculum. But I think I can just teach myself what I need afterwards I guess. Is there a huge difference among bootcamps? Which is a better option? If I go to the better bootcamp in NYC, you think I can still manage to get a job offer in London/Paris/Amsterdam afterwards, without being there? I think probably not but wanted to try ask what you guys think?
Which bootcamp you thinking of, is there some better then others, do you have swe or coding experience?
It's pretty much Metis(in NY) and Ubiqum(in Amsterdam). The costs I listed are the prices after scholarships/discounts are applied. I've done a few self taught stuff, and used python and SQL mildly at work but definitely not a strong coding background.
If everything you said is true, definitely go to the one in NYC. A lot of good companies have offices in europe. You can get a job in their European offices, which should be far easier than getting jobs in their US offices! So you should be good to go. Only thing is, check to see if there are as many (if any) data science positions abroad as there are in the US (for US based companies)
Why would it be easier to get a job in European office? I'm American, so I need a work visa in Europe.. which is really hard to get... Been trying a few years now. But I think it be easier to get a work visa if I was already in Europe with student visa.... But not sure if going to a much lesser bootcamp is worth that advantage.
That’s even better for US companies. Every big US based company (Google, Microsoft, even smaller ones like Uber) have satellite offices overseas. Whenever an employee can’t get US work visa and they really want that person, they ship the employee to their overseas office. Microsoft sends them to their Vancouver office, Google I’ve heard has an office in Switzerland IIRC and Uber to their Amsterdam office. So if you are working in an American company already, transferring into their overseas office should be a breeze.
If your willing to move to Berlin look at “data science retreat “.Berlin is the easiest to get a visa .I would be surprised if you got a visa for the Uk.Amaterdam next and then Paris
Yea I look at data science retreat already. I actually met the recruiter in person since I went to Berlin last year. Every single person from the last 2 batches had a PhD, which I don't have, I have just Masters. Even though PhD is not required, I feel it shows they expect alot more expert level knowledge coming in. Also, I would rather live in Amsterdam then in Berlin.
The fact that you’re getting a student visa for a boot camp makes it seem like the Netherlands have a very welcoming policy towards expats. I’ve read somewhere that they are pretty chill about work visas too. Don’t even require a bachelors degree. Research the immigration policies on paper and as applied more in depth
Even Germany gives you student visas for boot camps .Most Western Europe countries have super chill visa policies to students /skilled immigrants .The only downside is you will have to eventually learn the language
As someone who graduated from a DS bootcamp, keep in mind the guys who get into FAANG straight out of it are the exception not the rule. Many of them also had elite undergrad degrees. Typical outcome IMO is job searching for 4-6 months and taking a position at either a consulting company or small startup.
Yea I'm not expecting to land a job at FANNG, although that would be nice. I'm shooting for companies like Accenture, dataiku, cloudera, cognizant, etc.
I think R isn't worth it, unless you are interested in joining a life science company
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It depends on which country you want to end up in. Some of them are super tough to get visas for if you don’t have ancestry ties or previous technical work experience. Having a student visa for the program doesn’t necessarily make it easier, because work visas are definitely not guaranteed afterwards.
I know it's not guaranteed but it's an much easier to get a job if you are there on a student visa. I want to end up in London/Paris/Amsterdam. <. That's the order of my preference
Right, my point being that a student visa for a boot camp is NOT the same as a work visa. Of those three I have seen Amsterdam most willing to provide work visas for those with limited technical experience. I have also seen people out of US boot camps get offered jobs there with visa sponsorship without ever having been to the country before. I would also say that of those 3, the UK has the most difficult visa process and the most established tech community, so it would likely be the most difficult for you to get someone willing to sponsor a visa there.