There is not doubt that cloud is next moonshot. But leaders in cloud: AWS, Azure are not really tier 1 company. Google cloud may be the best to work for then? We all know the crazy pay of OCI, but I don’t see people speak high of anything of them else. So cloud is a very promising industry while with limited good employers?
I thought 'cloud' org in any of the stated companies is Tier 1 cuz of quality of work and the TC that show up time to time here on Blind..I personally know a few people working in Amazon AWS & Microsoft Azure; seems like quality work and they are happy with their TC. (Also, the potential to interchangeably jump to: GCP<->OCI<->AWS<->Azure seems pretty sweet)
Foundational cloud services (storage, database, compute) are deep tech and all cloud companies have good teams for that Rest is re packaged software with managed control plane and outsourcing of ops load to another company basically. Clearly that is not top tech. But mostly this boring stuff is what makes most money .... Basically customers pay these cloud companies to offload operational burden
This post gave me cancer
LOL this is why we don't let engineers make business decisions
Why?
Because what’s the coolest tech-wise is not always what customers want the most
Moonshot? Really? Do you have any idea how ignorant it is to compare cloud to the apollo program?
Just mean big industry. No intention to compare.
There certainly is doubt that cloud is the next “moonshot”. Everyone assumes there’s a huge untapped market of inefficient enterprises who would save a ton of money by outsourcing their IT to a faceless, increasingly untrustworthy, 3rd party company like google or amazon. Many have specific needs that don’t fit well into the services big tech provide. Or they are large enough they do things in-house. Or they have security/privacy concerns. Plus the type of profit model they’re attempting to achieve with this enterprise-first cloud stuff seems like small cookies compared to selling ads and leveraging user data, ie Google’s traditional profit sources. There was a similar lack of doubt about wearables, VR, driverless cars, mobile first, social, fiber, and the future of liberal democracies. Now nobody cares.
Did you just compare the cloud to VR and Wearables? Those markets were speculative, cloud is not. Cloud is well established and growing quickly. Cloud and associated service revenue will almost certainly swamp ads within a decade, which is why Google got into the game. The TAM is massive.
Maybe, maybe not. Lots of the industry already uses some form of “cloud computing” that need not rely on whatever prepackaged service big tech offers. It’s speculative to think there’s a huge need for such services and the advantages they purport to offer like AI, vs what people can do in-house. I wasn’t comparing cloud to VR and wearables directly, just the hype and speculation surrounding them.
Companies are looking to outsource a commodity (computing) when it makes fiscal sense to do so. That doesn’t leave much room for providers to engage in speculation and high comp/perks. We are actively bringing computing resources in-house, because at a certain scale, we can serve our own base load cheaper than using a cloud provider. Cloud isn’t anything new, we call it time sharing on mainframes.
Any engineers who are willing to share tips on how to get in this space, specially at large orgs like Amazon, Google? Ive been self studying distributed systems but the industry is guarded against experience (rightfully so). So barrier to entry seems high.
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I looked at the AWS dashboard once trying to help another team but it gave me cancer. Useful technology to be sure but clueless business people are overhyping it as the solution to everything and trying to cash in on service contracts/opex. I think there's going to be a point where results don't meet expectations and people realize that injecting yet another middleman into your product isn't always the way to go
What did you find problematic about the AWS dashboard?
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