Why India has crazy GC wait time compared to China?

Dec 20, 2018 112 Comments

India and China have around the same population. Almost equal number of people from both countries come to the US for studying.

Then how come for Chinese people the employ based GC wait time is just 4 years, while for India it’s forever. 🤣

I have a feeling that the Indian body shop companies are the root cause. Body shop managers get EB1 visas for being international managers, even though they make peanuts.

Other body shop employees spam the system with EB2 and EB3 applications. Though they mostly file for EB3 they are able to convert that to EB2 after 5 years of wait time. They make peanuts as well and most of their visa/gc application might be fraudulent.

I guess if those people are thrown out of the queue, wait time for India will drop to 4-5 years like China I believe. As the only difference between India and China seems to be that China has no body shop IT companies.

So my Indian people why don’t you push for sanitizing your green card queue instead of pushing hard for hr 392 which is unlikely to pass.

PS: I am Chinese

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  • Wipro / Eng
    techbee

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    techbee
    Having GC does not improve your TC by the way. Finding a job as GC holder is difficult as you get screened out in first round. Most of the FAANG PREFER H1-b only .
    Dec 20, 2018 11
    • New
      Egypt80

      New

      Egypt80
      Then the backlog is your friend, no? Keeping you employed..
      Dec 20, 2018
    • OP
      @JohnMcPop I like your logical and compassionate thinking.

      Please teach some of that to @NewEgypt80 who is posting sarcastic comments and telling immigrants to stop complaining. Perhaps he is done with his GC which makes him think that he has the authority to look down on other immigrants for whom the current system isn’t so fair.
      Dec 20, 2018
  • Google
    tick tock

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    tick tock
    The posters here seem to suggest that all Indians have a central authority and are asking Indians to self-govern themselves. This is as crazy idea as it can get.

    No we don't coordinate among ourselves and yes, there are smart and not so smart folks among Indians just like others.
    Dec 20, 2018 18
    • I'm not sure why he's not getting it either. How hard is it to understand that owning responsibility is basic humanity and not something written in the law. All we want is for everyone to do good and help shape a better society and this guy is going off about how that's not his job and we're racially stereotyping him.
      Dec 27, 2018
    • Right, once you're part of an group it's your responsibility to shape it for the better.

      In some places, people are aware of this and take steps to continuously improve the group as it happens in many Western countries. Over time, word and actions by such groups get high credibility and members enjoy the benefits. Eg imagine how a Western citizen is treated vs Indian citizen is treated wrt visas.

      In other places and cases, they are forced by the govt eg social score by China and various bans by Indian govt. This happens when people don't want to take responsibility, but some folks in govt are either forced to or have a vision to improve the group.

      In rest of the cases where members don't care and there's no one to force, the group spirals down and gets all sorts of negative stereotypes and external bans associated with it and all group members have to suffer. Many politically incorrect to mention examples exist here.

      Now it's upto us which category we want to land in.
      Dec 27, 2018
  • Netflix / Eng
    model

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    model
    Why do good tech companies hire these body shop employees?? All the companies I have worked at, I have seen these folks who came onsite from TCS, Infosys, Accenture and then simply moved to good tech companies- yeah lots of these folks at Netflix too. It sucks to see these incompetent idiots climbing leadership ranks because they came few years earlier.

    Microsoft and Amazon is full these people
    Dec 20, 2018 4
    • Totally agreed to Netflix guy. They are mastermind at politics and gaming the system. Of course not all of them are like that particularly when they are at low level. The issue starts when they get promoted to managerial position and somehow gets it at big tech companies. I had to deal with many such folks and so did my colleagues. We all complain about their incompetency and bringing toxic culture but we can’t really say that in public. So they keep going up the ladder based on what ICs have done and those ICs eventually leave bacause of this. Those managers move the team or hire from other outsourcing companies as FTE and the bad cycle starts which excludes Americans and other nationalities. I am pretty sure the projects they owned tend to collapse and ultimately hurt business than helps. Outsourcing should be kept at their home country which is beneficial for both countries..
      Dec 20, 2018
    • OP
      Somebody explain that to our wipro guy please. Cc: @techbee
      Dec 20, 2018
  • Apple
    not wasis

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    not wasis
    Or they can always go back to India
    Dec 20, 2018 6
    • Apple
      not wasis

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      not wasis
      It requires government oversight and it doesn’t look like government wants to do that.
      Dec 20, 2018
    • New / Mgmt
      Fv¢|<

      New Mgmt

      Fv¢|<
      Which breed spoken?
      Dec 20, 2018
  • Bose
    JustMeHa

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    JustMeHa
    You are right , i am Indian and I think we should fix the system so body shops aren’t able to abuse it . It gives us all a bad name
    Dec 20, 2018 0