There are two problems: 1. Too many candidates from one particular country. When diversity is not kept people don’t integrate, communicate between their culture only, bring all their relatives, hire only from their country, nothing good. No any country should get more than 10% of H1B or GC. 2. The way India abuses H1B flooding and even selling applications (what is against the US law). https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/11/06/us/outsourcing-companies-dominate-h1b-visas.html This problem #2 prevents from talented people from another countries get their H1B visas. Even if we solve problem #2 (say by raising minimal wage) we still should have country cap and don’t allow one country get more than 10% of H1B and GCs. Bill S386 doesn’t solve any of these issues, should not pass. Instead it will allow Indian H1B abusing companies let their current H1B holders go, and sell another 10 years of H1B to next army of IT refugees. Also if passed non Indian queues will be waiting for several years while Indian applications are processed. But the bill probably will pass because most of those senators don’t really care about the country. They said they will pass the bill if it will allow to import thousands of NURSES 🤦♂️from overseas. They don’t even think what is wrong with this country, why we cannot provide our own nurses. So guys from non Indian countries, get ready for the worst 😎
I am completely against the idea of abusing the h1b or GC system but I also don't agree on the fact that people who are most eligible (why should this be limited by countries?) simply have to wait for the sake of diversity. This reminds me of SC/ST and other casting/quota system in India where people only cared about where or how you were born than what YOU are..
In case if H1B and GC it’s not about where you were born or who you are, but which country recently submitted more than 10% of applications. If for example Germany or Japan will have more than 10% they also should put on hold. It’s not about any specific country.
But why do you need the 10% cap in the first place? Let there be one single queue and make points/merit based . Passing this bill will also be applied to those other countries.
If you are not hater and posted for genuine reason - read US immigration history. Lot of Europeans came in from same countries in masses. So, US should not allow Europeans now for diversity? Why is there a diversity visa? 140k GC max for EB, US population is 330 million! It simply doesn't make sense to not allow people paying 50-100k taxes not give a GC in name of diversity! There is entire diversity lottery, 50k out of the box. How is US benefitting by not giving Google L6 Indian GC but give green card to a new grad at no name US company because he/she is from different country? If consultancy abused H1B so much, why not question USCIS and DOL? Europeans helped build US so did Indians, US people may be great founders, but leaders always need followers and people who can execute. So many Indian CEOs and all are working for tech future and it keeps US competetive. You just can't have leaders and not enough people to execute idea!
It's the job of USCIS to catch fraud if there is fraud happening. They are the ones with investigative power and visa issuing authority. What you expect, Indians stand outside US embassy and not let consultancy folks enter embassy so they don't get visa? Department of Labor, DHS, USCIS should do this work. Reject all consultancy visa, why are they not rejecting it? US likes to take advantage & complain too. US wants cheap labor is fact so they do nothing. They can solve illegal immigration also in minutes but they need low wage workers to work in farms, restaurants so they allow it. They can't have it both ways, it's hypocrisy. Harsh reality is US needs cheap workers in any category more than high skilled people & so off the record US government lets everything happen. US can afford to let Google L6 go but they need that consultancy people to keep their economy running so corporate can earn $$$$, so USCIS is doing nothing much!
Also how ridiculous is lottery for H1B, even that is not merit based! FAANG or unicorn people can't get visa but consultancy can get it, 100% luck no hardwork. No work is happening anywhere, I said in next comment why not merit based than this stupid bill but as I said, harsh reality is US don't give a damn about ROW, merit based etc. As long as some system allows US corporations to earn $$$$, it will not change!
But also S386 is not solution. Believe it or not, Trump's merit based is solution. Even after S386, a person from India applying GC today will take 14 years! It doesn't make any sense to not implement merit
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If Indian born apply for GC right now, he won’t get it in his life time. He has to slave off his ass here still never gets GC but all others get their GC in one year(except China). Don’t you have mercy on those Indians ? Just because people like come up with hypothetical situations on comminution or hiring (if a Indian and other race stand same in interviews I would hire other race rather Indian, I have hired enough people in my life). Let everyone be treated equal or merit based.
This guy will not have his GC in his life time because there is an army of another Indians exceeding country cap before him. He can move to another country or stay in India, but he definitely should not require to remove country cap just because he wants to live here.
Wow Walmart, what a distorted view on reality you have. Also, Indian is not a race, you racist
Why wouldn’t Indians lobby their own country to split instead of hoping US laws change? Country cap is not a bug. It’s a feature.
+1 A very important feature. Removing it would crash the system.
Interesting logic. Why don't proponents of "diversity" talk about putting all of EU +Australia under one cap, all of Latin America under another, and all of the 100 Arab countries under a third one? Show me a scientific measure of "diversity" and explain how the whole of EU, or the whole of Latin America is any more diverse than India.
Wrong at so many level. Also inclusion means Equality of opportunity not equality of outcome. Country cap to me feels like trying to implement inclusion via equality of outcome, which feels weird and broken. Then again, i have no beef in this fight 🍿🍿
How is a wait time of 80-150 years equality of opportunity? Also thank you for avoiding getting beef. It’s good for the planet
OP please check that there’s a cap against people from one country can not make up more than 15% of immigrants in the USA overall. That takes care of problem #1. The current amendment only targets EB visas. Indians are only 6% of overall immigrants. On #2 immigrants are individuals and not representative of their place of birth. Soviet era people were welcome to immigrate to the USA despite the Cold War. Whatever Indian companies do or did are to be dealt with those entities, not with immigrants. None think Einstein should not be able to immigrate because he’s from Nazi Germany. I’m an India born US citizen. I’m sad to see people literally calling for discrimination against us. It’s our immigration policy and we should get rid of place of birth criteria. The merit based is the way to go but that’s a longer fight.
Where did you come up with 15% cap? Immediate family immigrant visas are unlimited.
#2 is not about stop all Indians because their body shops are guilty. But about who stole H1B positions from the rest of world and Indians who were not involved to those body shops. And who caused the country limit exceeded. Without fixing problem #2 the bill just makes everything worse than it now.
The law will not do what it claims to do, it will not remove the backlog. First year 160K people apply for green cards, 140K granted, 20K placed into backlog. Second year 160K more people apply, 20+120 new green cards granted, 40K are sent to backlog. Third year again plus 160 minus 140, and the backlog now 60K. Such mismatch of supply vs. demand is exactly why backlog exists in the first place, and this bill will do literally nothing about it. Lawmakers should come up with a real solution (points/auction/etc) rather than indulging a dozen of companies to continue spamming the system. Last time I checked larger part of the backlog is cheap labor that never deserved to have visas. The backlog should be cleared in a way that passes meritable Indians immediately but keeps delaying pseudoconsultants forever. Giving a free pass to people who gamed the system under excuse of fairness to the legit ones is a shitty way of doing things, and exactly what they wanted.
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