Why all the QA hate?
I see a lot of dev and scientist bozos looking down upon QA. The fuck is your problem? Do y’all have any idea how shitty your code is and how hard our life is because of that?
I respect the hell out if a good QA person, because I feel like it would be the most boring job ever. No offense intended though, different strokes for different folks.
Everyone looks down on someone...we are all just scum
Good QA Engineers are worth their weight in gold. Hard to hire, because the skill set to be good at QA is similar to be a Dev, but the job is often more tedious and stressful
TC is lower. Ours impressed the hell out of everyone when we interviewed him but they still lowballed his offer even worse than the rest of us. And then eventually replaced him with 3 “product managers” who each make more money but don’t do any more than 1/4 what he did (and they’re not technical so they don’t script their tests or help out in design meetings).
Most people judge based off TC. If QA were making more money, devs would flock to lucrative QA positions and the attitudes would be a lot different. Now try convincing the whole industry that QAs should make more than dev. That’s your problem.
They should at least be comparable. Mindset seems to be that since the other engineers create the product and QAs “just” make sure it works, it’s theoretically possible to ship a product without QA but it’s not theoretically possible without the frontend engineer. Many non-technical people *barely* grasp that the backend does the business logic and the frontend engineers aren’t single-handedly delivering every widget. When some of them *do* grasp that, they think they can replace every pair of frontend/backend with one “full stack” and make that person do everything. When that’s already the mindset, hiring another dedicated employee for QA (or infosec) sounds ridiculous. Just get “a devops” to do what the “full stack” engineer isn’t doing, and tell them both that they need to “do” “TDD”.
Companies with high standards have high TC for QA everyone else is "agile"
Does citadel pay QA well?
Citadel pays everyone well.
Even your own QA managers, QA directors and QA leads HATE QA. Most are just in QA because that's the only field where they can be "the boss." Devs look down on QA and so do your own leadership.
Because we can do your job, we just don't want to
A low iq douche spotted
OP works at Apple. They are one of the very few companies who are known to pay the QAs well. If you ever feel you are looked down or not respected at Apple being a QA, come to ST and you will know how much better Apple was! (I worked there before coming here). Here are the problems I can think of being QA: 1. Upper management thinks that they can ship everything without QA. Not all companies are LinkedIn or Netflix or Facebook to not have QA, different companies have different products. 2. Low pay for QA. This is a well known fact. Pay them equivalent and treat them better. Improve automation mindset and that helps you a lot more than you can imagine. 3. Good QA is an asset. But unfortunately, it’s the new low-class job for umpteen reasons. My wife and her parents also don’t respect my job. She is a developer 😞🤷♂️
Quality is so underrated. QAs are such a blessing if they do it well just like dev.