Office LifeOct 9, 2018
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Why do people hate working at Amazon?

I used to think Amazon was as prestigious as Fb, Apple, Google etc but tons of threads have people shitting all over it. I used to want to work there. Why so much hate?

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Oracle $x Oct 9, 2018

Toxic

Amazon HexBug Oct 9, 2018

Says an Oracle guy?

Oracle vrooom Oct 10, 2018

Does that change anything? 😉

Proofpoint foodturckj Oct 9, 2018

Because bananas is not a currency. Also they hired many bad managers that micromanage and have led many to have a bad experience. Those managers may have left and some are protected by upper management but in general the stigma sticks. Also the 5/15/40/40 vesting is not employee friendly. No free food. Very frugal in general benefits. The list goes on. The managememt isn't bothered by it because the stock keeps going up but they must realize they need to bring themselves upto industry standard at some point.

Microsoft Grabbb Oct 10, 2018

I know a really really bad manager who everyone hated so bad , was fired at my previous company has now landed in amzn at a higher role :) we can’t stop bad managers - they will keep going from one company to other - I can just stop him from coming to my team here that’s it .

Amazon cjaP02 Oct 9, 2018

1. Biggest tech company there is 2. Generally people only comment about bad experiences 3. More engineers = more bad experiences = more bad posts/comments It’s also very team dependent. I’ve had a great experience at Amazon thus far.

Microsoft hdsxv Oct 9, 2018

aws I bet

Amazon cjaP02 Oct 9, 2018

Yeah

Uber uber. Oct 9, 2018

Amazon software is terrible. Indescribably bad. Engineers main job is to be the human in the loop to work on pages of sev2s and write reports about the failures that caused actual customers to notice. 2am 3am 430am pages are commonplace every night for the oncall. Other companies have oncall, but none have it as bad.

Amazon Ehdd Oct 9, 2018

My summary:- (1) what’s on-call? Never been on one (2) Sev2 ? Lol, have not even worked on Sev5 TT (3) pager? What’s that 6.5 years at Amazon, 400+ TC 😬 You don’t know diverse Amazon is, very ignorant comment TBH. If you said Amazon Retail, or AWS I’d be fine, not Amazon as a whole. You are dragging the nicer parts of Amazon into it.

Lyft blah001 Oct 9, 2018

U are a SDE and didn't hv oncall for 6 years.... Can't be true bruh... Or are u a PM ?

Cruise Automation Lard Oct 9, 2018

For the same reason slaves disliked their socioeconomic station in life.

Amazon sde3 Oct 9, 2018

There are good and bad apples in every big company. Dont worry about the brand but focus on the team & product you work with. I left google to join amzn and had an amazing experience. Not with amzn anymore though, wish I hadn't sold the stock :(

Proofpoint foodturckj Oct 9, 2018

When half the basket is bad apples, its called Amazon. The lack of clear attention to abusive behavior of some employees as they were part of the growth story is the reason for this public image. Lay off employees who helped you get here and bring in more serious fresh blood for the next set of growth. The stock has been stagnent for last 2 months.

Amazon Ehdd Oct 9, 2018

Were you PIP’d out

Microsoft Theia2 Oct 9, 2018

One aspect that I don’t like Amazon is that it’s in the retail industry (though it also does software services) and for retailers, frugality is the principle, especially when they have over half a million employees...

Apple Ap123 Oct 9, 2018

Just chill out and take Amazon offer.

Symantec O (1) Oct 9, 2018

You get tired of bananas

Amazon HexBug Oct 9, 2018

A bunch of reasons. Traditionally Amazon was a very efficient company focused on relentlessly delivering customer value. Anything that didn't contribute to this goal was not valued, and so the culture inspired and provided opportunities for people who thrive in a very aggressively productive place, and efficiently chewed up people who didn't. This is the culture basically enshrined in the original leadership principles of Amazon. The people who did well there were doers, people who just got things done and delivered with no nonsense, who thought big and took bold bets and stood behind them until they either succeeded or clearly failed. Courageous, thrifty, hardworking people. Maybe a little lacking in social skills, or a bit abrasive at times. This was "Day 1" culture as Jeff B would call it, and it's what made Amazon great. It's why you've heard of us. Then the company grew at a ridiculous rate, and in some pockets of the company we lost this perspective and imported Day 2 cultures from Microsoft and other places. This is not intended to be an insult to Microsoft but it's true. Day 2 meant politics, empire building, serving ourselves instead of customers, and PMs... Lots and lots of PMs. This ruined several orgs at Amazon, and you'll hear about this in the Amazon forum here a lot. Retail was totally wrecked and is now doing open heart surgery to fix it. Prime Now, Fresh, advertising, total dumpster fires. Day 2 sucks. The normal Amazon stack ranking, top grading and forced removal of the bottom 10% or so would have handled this, but as we grew and newcomers from other companies clashed with the Day 1 culture, they all complained to the NY Times and soon we had that big article about our "bruising workplace." Amazon responded in part by softening some of our corrective mechanisms and dismantling others, and that meant no more removing of the bottom X%, allowing people to move to another team if they were underperforming (and thus remain), etc. Now we were really screwed. Amazon is trying to get back to Day 1, but we've got a mess. The current company is a blend of Day 1 teams and Day 2 teams, and those don't mix well. Some people hate the older style and some people hate the new orgs dominated by politics and small armies of 20-something PMs Fresh from "B school" who have never delivered anything in their lives. The old culture could burn you out, but the new crap destroys your soul. And there is a battle going on right now for Amazon's soul. So there are a variety of reasons why people might not be happy here, but in my estimation many of them simply don't belong here. We need deep cuts in the Day 2 orgs, primarily of PMs. We need to let doers do and builders build and thinkers think, like we used to when every great new thing was created (.com, Kindle, AWS, Alexa, etc). You should want to work here but only on a Day 1 team. We still have a lot of these, and one year on such a team will grow you in ways you can't imagine at most companies. You will work hard but you'll start thinking like an owner, you'll grow and you'll emerge a leader, and that will stay with you. And that's the story with Amazon.

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poRd04 Oct 9, 2018

Wow Hexbug very inspiring, could you point out some Day 1 orgs, other than aws?

Proofpoint foodturckj Oct 9, 2018

@cjaP02, @Ehdd, and @sde3 from Amazon need to read this before getting defensive about Amazon. This is a well crafted comment.