Why do people say Amazon is worse than Apple?

New ijjj
Nov 12, 2019 30 Comments

I’m relatively new to Blind, but as far as I know, doesn’t Apple pay a lot less for new grad compared to Amazon (150k in cupertino vs 130k in seattle, not including sign on)? After taxes plus an additional 12k/year in cupertino housing, doesn’t the amazon worker take home a lot more?

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  • Apple zxcxc
    Been at both. Apple is way better than Amazon:
    1. Pay: Apple pays competitive to G/Fb (at least for senior levels), but Amazon is way behind.
    2. Wlb at Apple is amazing for SWE (horrible for hardware folks though).
    3. Amazon has a lot of awful managers (non-technical, non-professional) who don't have skills to buffer their reports, let alone helping their reports grow.
    4. Amazon in general is very frugal in every aspect (no perks, no annual refreshers, etc.)
    5. You don't feel you're valued at all at Amazon, while at Apple it's completely different.

    P.S. I'm not saying Apple is the ultimate place, but in comparison to Amazon it's way better.
    Nov 12, 2019 9
    • Amazon CulStryBro
      Amazon also pays competitively for L6+ external hires. Tech orgs don't have non-technical managers - retail does, sure.
      Nov 12, 2019
    • On the nose. +1
      Nov 13, 2019
  • Salesforce peaceguy
    Amazon has the most toxic culture
    Nov 12, 2019 6
    • Salesforce peaceguy
      Amazon pays less among all, and still make you suffer for nothing.
      Amazon doesn't even have annual performance bonus.
      Their vesting policy is crazy - 5%, 15%, 40%, 40%
      Nov 12, 2019
    • To echo @zxcxc, bad managers are responsible for a lot of Amazon’s reputation. While work experiences rely greatly on the quality of one’s manager at both Apple and Amazon, IME the latter seems to have a higher share of stressed-out, inexperienced, and poorly trained managers. The Uncle Ben rule cuts both way—Amazon’s managers get a lot of power within their fiefdoms, but too many are equipped to deal with responsibility and expectations. That makes for a really bad experience for workers.
      Nov 13, 2019
  • New / Eng
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    Amazon is better than Apple. More interesting projects and options.
    Nov 12, 2019 3
    • Apple / IT TheB
      Blink twice if there’s an Amazon manager with a gun pointed at your head in the shadows.
      Nov 12, 2019
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      No of course not 🤥
      Nov 12, 2019
  • Amazon uaqh79
    Because apples are better than bananas
    Nov 12, 2019 0
  • Google topCon
    I hear Apple has awesome refreshers. Amazon refreshers 👎
    Nov 12, 2019 0
  • Uber / Eng itsdara
    Amazon hires a lot of really low quality non technical managers and give them too much power over very strong engineers, at the same time expect the manager to exercise LPs like Insist on The Highest Standard, Dive Deep, Right A Lot, Ownership that create a lot of conflicts and disagreement with engineers, and then throw in the PIP quota, guess what happen to those that manager disagrees with?
    Nov 12, 2019 1
    • Amazon GodsKings
      My manager got promoted quickly within Amazon and isn’t technically strong whatsoever.
      Nov 22, 2019
  • Amazon Alexa.
    Not completely disagreeing with other comments but you have to look at it from other angle as well. Amazon hires a lot and fires a lot. For a company that employed over 600K people even a small number of firing means there are thousands of employees who very salty about the company and usually salty people like to talk shit about the company.

    That doesn’t mean that Amazon doesn’t have problems, i have personally seen some. But i feel like it has become a trend lately to shit about Amazon once you leave the company.
    Nov 12, 2019 2
    • Apple zxcxc
      Fb hires like crazy and fires fast too, but no one talks $hit about it.
      You need to work at Amazon and at least one more FAANG to understand the huge difference.
      Nov 12, 2019
    • New JpGI83
      See, I don’t think the issue is with the company, it is the toxic managers that have made certain orgs a toxic place to work in, which are the majority of the orgs.
      Nov 12, 2019
  • Apple kahnyay
    Not sure what you're talking about, Apple offered me over 180k (without including signing) for new grad BS in Seattle. If you're in a good org they'll pay very good money to get you.
    Nov 13, 2019 1
    • New ijjj
      OP
      What org (if you don’t mind me asking)? Is it hard to switch orgs once you’re in?
      Nov 14, 2019

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